[ SECRET POST #2341 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2341 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[David Mitchell]


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02.
[Carry On]


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03.
[Jay and Silent Bob]


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04.
[Simcity Societies]


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06.
[Game of Thrones]


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07.
[Game of Thrones]


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08.
[Noel Fielding]


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09.
[Once Upon a Time]


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10.
[Doraemon]


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11.
[Uninhabited Planet SURVIVE]


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12. [SPOILERS for Star Trek: Into Darkness]



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13. [SPOILERS for Arrow]



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14. [SPOILERS for Naruto]



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15. [WARNING for pedohpilia]

[Neon Genesis Evangelion]


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16. [WARNING for ]



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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[avatarmn]

Most ridiculous secret ever. Political correctness gone wild. Not to mention slut shaming. Maybe if it weren't a show where so many of the straight people are this "promiscuous".

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god shut up. It's not the fact that he's having sex that is pissing people off, and I doubt its the reason the OP is annoyed. It's the way it was done and the emotions (or lack their of) behind it.

It doesn't have anything to do with slut shaming or PCns.

[avatarmn]

What's pissing me off is "gay people are promiscuous". As if this is not a show where straight guys are having much less meaningful sex with whores.

[(Anonymous)]

mte. if you're having the straight characters bangin' all over the place, at least let the gay dude get in on it. that's not even close to balancing the ratio but at least it shakes things up

[avatarmn]

I was pissed off that in Ygritte and Jon Snow's sex scene, we saw her naked from head to toe, and we didn't even get a glimpse of his bare chest. I greatly appreciated a scene that was not only acres of male flesh, but gay action as well. Loras and the stable boy's scene was one of the least problematic sex scenes the show has ever had, with two people having fun instead of one person doing a job or getting raped.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, way more promiscuous straight people in this canon than promiscuous gay people.

[(Anonymous)]

OP is referring to the (extremely common) stereotypical portrayal of gay men as 'oversexed' and promiscuous that they felt the writers were drawing on with that scene. As one anon pointed out, the scene came off very different from what they intended, and as another said, it did come off more as turning Loras into an airhead who just wanted easy sex, which feels against the grain of his characters.

Personally, the only reason I didn't think that stereotype was invoked was because the show has simply established that it's all about injecting gratuitous, meaningless sex wherever it can - and that combined with knowing that the scene fell on its face, and was meant to be more of a lonely, devastated Loras seeking comfort changes things a bit.

It was still a shitty scene, though.

[avatarmn]

I haven't read the books, I understand why someone doesn't like it if it's a change from the books. I don't really care, but I at least get it.

But I think people are delusional and desperate to get offended if they believe that the point of this scene was to portray a gay guy as promiscuous. First of all, having sex with two guys in three seasons is not promiscuous. And if you think it is, you're not only silly, but YOU are the one who's stereotyping gays as promiscuous. Not to mention having a strangely low bar for promiscuity.

I think it's pretty clear that the point of the scene was that Loras is some combination of adorably innocent and oblivious to his surroundings, because he thinks that no one knows he's gay when in fact everyone is buzzing about it.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I really don't think you get it. Taken as an isolated incident it wouldn't mean much but the point a lot of people here have been making is that this character has been changed quite drastically from the book, and all of those changes lean heavily on existing gay stereotypes, this being just another example.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to get across.

There's a lot of divergent characterization, some of it nags at me, some of it I actually end up liking better than what GRRM does in the books with some characters. But this is exactly what bothers me about what's being done with Loras.

It's not how many people he's slept with, nor the fact that he has a sex drive, but the way the writers end up making it feel like they might have watched a few too many episodes of QAF (and now I'm just being facetious because I can be).

[avatarmn]

Or maybe they've watched their OWN show, and STILL made a less fucked up sex scene than they usually have.

[avatarmn]

You're missing MY point, though. If you think that sleeping with someone else after your lover has been dead for a season plus one episodes makes you think "promiscuous gay", you're the one leaning heavily on stereotypes. Especially considering the behavior of all of the other characters, you still want to say the show is making a statement about gay people, when in fact I think it portrays him better than most guys. With the sex being mutually fun, instead of all the prostitution and rape that permeates the series. It develops naturally from a connection formed with a guy Loras spends time with. At least as far as he knows. He isn't aware Olyver is a spy.

[(Anonymous)]

what they're saying though is that the feeling of stereotyping comes through in the written intent, motivation, and direction

sleeping with one guy doesn't make loras a promiscuous gay, and i don't think loras himself is a promiscuous guy at all, but it feels like the writers are basing his character off of a pretty particular brand of stereotypes and some of us feel that the scene carries a certain stereotypical vibe to it that feels out of place/inappropriate/ooc

not that you're necessarily wrong about loras not being portrayed as promiscuous, but that his character increasingly feels like he could be lumped in as a modern stereotypical gay dude and as such, the scene itself felt inconsistent with what was going on with his character within the context of the show

[avatarmn]

People need to be careful about how badly they judge gay people in the name of frowning on stereotypes. I know Loras isn't a real person, but I don't think I need to tell anyone how important representation in fiction is to real people. And it doesn't help us when a regular imperfect gay person sees a fictional character being treated this way even by people who like gays. For every gay character to be perfect is no more helpful to us than for every gay character to be awful. No one can live up to it. And I think these well-intentioned critics really need to own up to the judgements and stereotyping that THEY are making when they see Loras as having done anything wrong in this scene, and see it as being worse than other sex scenes JUST BECAUSE HE IS GAY rather than what the content actually is compared to the scenes featuring straight people.

[(Anonymous)]

Compare it to the straight romances in the series where the man or woman at least wait for their lovers' corpse to go cold before they happily screw around (if at all).

[avatarmn]

Are you seriously serious? Why not compare them to the people who cheat on living people who they are married to? You can't even "screw around" on someone who is dead, and a season plus one episode is plenty of time for a body to get cold.