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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-23 03:43 pm

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[personal profile] gamma_orionis 2013-06-23 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually like Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" (as another bisexual girl :)). I've actually never found any specific lyrics in it that make it seem to me like she's doing it for attention (maybe "Hope my boyfriend don't mind it"? But I interpreted that as meaning "I hope he doesn't freak out because I kissed someone else", not "I hope he thinks it's hot that I kissed a girl"). Is it something that she's said in an interview or something that gives everyone the impression that the song is not primarily about a girl's experience kissing another girl for the first time? I'm genuinely confused and curious and feel like I'm missing something.

In summary - I agree with you, OP.

Though as anon above said... Jill Sobule's version is the best ^_~
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[personal profile] inkdust 2013-06-23 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I would have way much less of an issue with the lyrics without the boyfriend line.
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[personal profile] liveoddly 2013-06-23 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I think for me, a lot of it came from the video. The lyrics are only a bit dodgy, but the coyness and flirtiness of the video kind of changes the meaning of the song.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-06-23 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
The boyfriend line sounded like denial. I took it like "No, just because I liked kissing a girl doesn't mean I like girls because see, I have a BOYFRIEND and I'm very concerned that what I did will upset my BOYFRIEND." I used to fall back on that line of logic a lot when I found myself thinking about a girl. "This can't be a crush because I like boys, I know because I've had crushes on boys before and that means I'm straight and don't like girls."

I'm projecting a lot, I know and the song wasn't written for me and my experience. But it happened to be so fitting I couldn't help that that was what I heard in it.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-06-24 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, as a bi girl myself, I went through very much the same thing and that's what I got out of that line too. "I don't REALLY like girls, I have a boyfriend!"
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Re: OP

[personal profile] evewithanapple 2013-07-03 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
That was my reading when I first read the lyrics, independent of listening to the song or watching the video. The music/visuals definitely push more of a "ooo hot girl on girl" but the lyrics on their own can be read differently.
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[personal profile] bored_bitch 2013-06-24 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot about that boyfriend line.
That bothers me even more about the song.

It's one thing to question your sexuality. It's another to cheat.
The line comes off to me as "Teeheehee I hope he won't make too big of a deal or break up with my ass immediately when he finds out!"

Just...
Ugh.
Edited 2013-06-24 00:31 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2013-06-24 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
Lots of men don't think their girlfriend kissing a woman is cheating. They're only threatened by cock as women aren't a real threat. Plus, possible threesome amirite? The song seemed to be trivialising same sex attraction as a fun little kink, how very like the 10000000x I've seen women get drunk and pash each other whilst men applaud. My sis shrugged when I asked her if she'd ever done it and she said "it's just what you do". I've lost count of the times women I've flirted with have treated me as a fun diversion and show off for the night before honing in on their real target, titillated men (or their boyfriends they failed to mention). I'm just foreplay and an object as I'm "only" a lesbian. Fuck that noise.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-24 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
>>I've lost count of the times women I've flirted with have treated me as a fun diversion and show off for the night before honing in on their real target, titillated men (or their boyfriends they failed to mention). I'm just foreplay and an object as I'm "only" a lesbian

I'm bi and I've been treated by women AND men this way.
It seemed like, as soon as I was out of the closet I was the village whore everybody could have a piece of but it was out of the question to go steady with me. Whenever I thought someone was interested in me, after a few drinks it turned out they were just flirting with me to see if I was "easy".
I'm glad this shit has stopped now that I have moved away and surround myself with different people.
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[personal profile] nachtmusik 2013-06-24 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
The boyfriend line perpetuates the idea that all bisexuals are cheaters and will use the "it doesn't count" excuse to justify cheating. I think that's a bigger issue with the song than "fake lesbianism", really.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-24 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Any goodwill and benefit of the doubt I try to extend to her in regards to I Kissed a Girl is killed hard when I remember she also wrote Ur So Gay.

[personal profile] glo_unit 2013-06-24 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for mentioning the shitty song.
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[personal profile] caecilia 2013-06-24 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
This is way late and tl;dr, sorry.

I'm not as angry about it as I was years ago, but the line that always bothered me was "you're my experimental game". I couldn't help identifying with the other girl that she kissed and thinking "WOW that's a shitty way to treat someone!" Here's a post that pretty much sums it up (sfw, but there's nsfw on that blog) and the cover version she did (nsfw) which I love a lot.

Also I didn't like how the media acted like this was SO PROGRESSIVE and positive, as if queer/bi/lesbian women haven't been out there singing and writing about their lives for decades. (If we don't fit the straight male fantasy stereotypes we're not worth listening to.)

I get that people relate to it. Around the time it first came out, I was friends with two straight girls who loved it because it was very true to their experiences. But it doesn't represent me and I'm sick of people assuming that it does.