[ SECRET POST #2364 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2364 ⌋

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/BGLxdGm.png

[(Anonymous)]

I dislike both.

And maybe you should ask your lesbian friends if they think there's truth in "all bis do it for attention" because sadly it's a trend nowadays to casually hate on bis when you're gay.

I know I'm bi, but have been only with girls so far and my lesbian 'friends' will often mock me and say things like "you're just identifying as bi because society tells you to when in reality you're 100% gay. We hope you'll one day see the light"

[(Anonymous)]

One of the reasons I've never felt like a part of the LGBT community because I too often hear both gay men and women accusing bisexuals of really being gay (and in the case of some women, straight.)

Like it's not your business and it doesn't matter who I'm dating at the time I'm still attracted to both sexes.

[liveoddly]

Yes, this. All of this. (I'm bi/pan and have had two meaningful relationships, one with a girl and one with a guy. With the guy, I'm accused of being a special snowflake, told I'm straight, and told I only dated the girl for attention. With the girl, I was accused of being a special snowflake and a "fake lesbian" (despite never saying I was a lesbian), told I must be gay in the same breath, and... told I only dated the girl for attention)

I disliked I Kissed A Girl more for the video than the song, but I found both pretty loathsome. At the same time, the parody just feels kind of mean-spirited, and as I said in an F!S post a while back, I'm generally against any accusation that people are doing things "just for attention". Even if they are, it's not healthy for their fans (who may be lesbian/bi/whatever applies) to be told that if they come out they'll be called fakers.

/$0:02

[(Anonymous)]

ugh, this is why i'm too afraid to even consider "coming out", because i don't want to have to deal with possibly losing friends & family, homophobia on the one hand, and biphobia on the other. who am i going to have left who's on my side?

NOPE cannot deal with that no thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

sadly it's a trend nowadays to casually hate on bis when you're gay.

Nothing new about it. I endured plenty of bi intolerance from my lesbian community in the 1980s.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is an image of Katy Perry's single "I Kissed A Girl", and below a screen-capture of a video called "Karen Gillan's "I Kissed a Girl" parody from the Kevin Bishop show".]

I'm a bisexual girl. This [arrow pointing at "Katy Perry's I Kissed A Girl"] doesn't offend me at all. This [Arrow pointing at Karen Gillan's parody version of the same song] does. Whatever the intent of Katy Perry's song is, I think the words still echo a real conflict of denial lots of queer girls go through. Myself included. And whatever the intent of the parody song is, it fails to make a satire of the stereotype that femme lesbians and bisexuals are only doing it for attention. It's not mocking the idea. It's perpetuating it, and all just to bash one singer who may have done it for attention.

Secret because according to all my lesbian friends, Katy Perry is gross, and Karen Gillan is ~perfect~ so hilarious and subversive~ And because I already know someone's going to bet I'm really a straight girl who just wants attention and/or "special snowflake!"

Postscript: sorry secret is about 5 years too late.

[(Anonymous)]

I know 'I Kissed a Girl' is icky, but it's still so catchy. Katy Perry has a lot of questionable lyrics, but I find myself liking her in spite of that.

The parody is just gross though. I was aware of it, but I'd never actually watched it before. Now I have though, and I was much more uncomfortable with it than the original song.

[(Anonymous)]

Jill Sobule's song is the clearly superior "I Kissed A Girl" anyway.

[gamma_orionis]

I love that song! :)

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I like Katy Perry's "Kissed A Girl", but it still bothers me that it toed the lie and ultimately dipped more into the usual stereotypes. It's catchy, but Jill Sobule's song is so much sweeter without playing up any bullshit.

+1 also

[(Anonymous)]

For anyone who wants to hear it since it's really sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FdwUGwasck

[(Anonymous)]

Sorta related (?): Here's a song written by Mecano called "Mujer contra Mujer" (Woman against woman) that is quite pro-LGBT. Sadly is in Spanish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-SKt4OPSsE

[brandiweed.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm sorry it got pushed into near-oblivion by the Katy Perry song. It has a fun video too.

[gamma_orionis]

I actually like Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" (as another bisexual girl :)). I've actually never found any specific lyrics in it that make it seem to me like she's doing it for attention (maybe "Hope my boyfriend don't mind it"? But I interpreted that as meaning "I hope he doesn't freak out because I kissed someone else", not "I hope he thinks it's hot that I kissed a girl"). Is it something that she's said in an interview or something that gives everyone the impression that the song is not primarily about a girl's experience kissing another girl for the first time? I'm genuinely confused and curious and feel like I'm missing something.

In summary - I agree with you, OP.

Though as anon above said... Jill Sobule's version is the best ^_~

[inkdust]

I would have way much less of an issue with the lyrics without the boyfriend line.

[liveoddly]

I think for me, a lot of it came from the video. The lyrics are only a bit dodgy, but the coyness and flirtiness of the video kind of changes the meaning of the song.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The boyfriend line sounded like denial. I took it like "No, just because I liked kissing a girl doesn't mean I like girls because see, I have a BOYFRIEND and I'm very concerned that what I did will upset my BOYFRIEND." I used to fall back on that line of logic a lot when I found myself thinking about a girl. "This can't be a crush because I like boys, I know because I've had crushes on boys before and that means I'm straight and don't like girls."

I'm projecting a lot, I know and the song wasn't written for me and my experience. But it happened to be so fitting I couldn't help that that was what I heard in it.

[bored_bitch]

I forgot about that boyfriend line.
That bothers me even more about the song.

It's one thing to question your sexuality. It's another to cheat.
The line comes off to me as "Teeheehee I hope he won't make too big of a deal or break up with my ass immediately when he finds out!"

Just...
Ugh.

[biohazardgirl]

I've been having conflicted issues about this song since I. . .just kissed a girl for the first time like last week and now I have it stuck in my head on REPEAT.

Personally I think Ellen's parody is way more funny thank Karen's and on the nose and generally adorable because ELLEN.

"I kissed a girl at my wedding, we registered for flannel shirts and bedding!"

Just. . .awwwwwwwww.

Anyway this song is fucking catchy, the only issue I do have is with the boyfriend line because I dislike the implications of cheating and/or fetishization. But I love the lyrics where she talks about how girls are so kissable because I agree *_*

I AGREE KATY PERRY IT'S TOO GOOD TO DENY IT

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be your lesbian friend who loves katy perry :)

but then idk who the other girl is so...

[(Anonymous)]

aaaw :( I wanna hug all the bisexuals in this thread. You girls/guys get a lot of shit.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, the impression I got was that Karen Gillan was specifically mocking Katy Perry, calling her out on doing the song for attention. It didn't strike me as an attack on femme lesbians and bi girls, it struck me as an attack on the singer and the song, and that was it. Karen wasn't acting as a representative of all queer girls, she was acting as Katy Perry, Desperate Attention Seeker.

I'm a queer woman, if it's necessary to say so.

[(Anonymous)]

If the original didn't exist, neither would this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eE3dhys7J8

[(Anonymous)]

I never really understood all the hate this song/Katy Perry got and I say that as a bisexual. I mean, I guess if I really wanted I could read in all sorts of offensive meanings into it and get pissed and flip tables but mostly I just find it maddeningly catchy and fun. I've never seen the vid for it though so maybe I'm missing something..?