[ SECRET POST #2375 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2375 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://i.imgur.com/nWOsaZ6.jpg

[kallanda_lee]

That's pretty much how I feel about Moffat's run of Doctor Who. Still, I do like Sherlock despite the flaws, and can't bring myself to like Elementary.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is a promotional image of the BBC TV show "Sherlock" and a promotional image of the TV show "Elementary", featuring Sherlock and Watson. In "Sherlock", Sherlock is a man with a gaunt face and short, curly dark brown hair, while Watson is a man with short blond hair. In "Elementary", Sherlock is a man with short dark hair, while Watson is played by the actress Lucy Liu, who has slightly long black hair.]

I enjoy watching both series. Both I noticed that every time BBC Sherlock gets rightfully criticized for an issue (misogyny, portrayal of mental health disorders, racism, a terrible Irene Adler), Elementary goes out of their way to handle the issue sensitively and well.

Now I resent Moffat for not doing a better job on his show.

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

[sootyowl]

Yeah, Elementary definitely handles issues better. I also like both, but I think the quality of writing for female characters is way better on Elementary.

[(Anonymous)]

can we not.
this convo has been going on for the past WEEk already.

[(Anonymous)]

The past week? Dunno where you live, but I feel this has been going on for a good few of our Earth-months already.

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't like the convo, don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya! LOL

Seriously, I don't get people who come onto the internet to complain and demand that the rest of us stop discussing a particular topic.

[(Anonymous)]

why is this a secret? i agree with you (except for irene in bb sherlock), but you're saying what one entire fandom has been saying for a while so what's the point of posting it here. like why didn't you just post this on your tumblr, you would have gotten at least 50 notes instead of 3-5 responses here.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, we get it! Elementary is better than Sherlock!

I don't even watch these shows but that is pretty much the gist of every secret and thread related to them on here. Boring now.

[(Anonymous)]

But the SJWs must repeat this until everyone shares their opinion. Dissent is not permitted.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I heard that Sherlock was pretty okay, and that anti-Moffat haters just liked having Elementary existing so they could manufacture bullshit out of thin air to bash him by claiming that Elementary did an issue better even though it really didn't.

Reign in your wank OP, your issues are showing.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

*rein

Also, Sherlock is the most overrated series since Firefly.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's pretty much fact that Elementary handled many issues better than Sherlock.

Does that mean you have to prefer Elementary? No, but the cast is inclusive and they don't have a ~Mysterious Orient~ episode.

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming what you say about Elementary going OUT OF ITS WAY to do right what BBC Sherlock does wrong is true, then your resentment is silly because Elementary started only after all of Sherlock's run that is currently out came out. So they had the opportunity to learn from Sherlock's example (because you KNOW the writers of Elementary have their eye on it and always have, originally they wanted to do just a straight remake), but Moffat hasn't had time yet to do the same.

[(Anonymous)]

When "handling an issue" becomes more important than engaging the audience and telling a good story, then maybe I will care.

[lex_antonia]

Lol, all these tumblr junkies in this thread.

Agreed. I love Sherlock, but I love the way Elementary is throwing shade at Sherlock just as much. Now, if only the cases weren't so damn predictable, it would be a really good show.

[(Anonymous)]

how many years can holmes exist
before he's just left to Be?

yes n how many times
must these shows be compared
before they're allowed to be free?

the answer, anon
is blowing in the wind
the answer is blowin
in the wind

[(Anonymous)]

I'm actually a little annoyed with Elementary because of this, because I get the sense that it's only taking care to handle those issues well because the writers know there's a big part of the fanbase that watches it mainly to compare it to Sherlock.

But I'm forgiving because they are important issues, however annoying the reason for including them is, and the mainstream viewers that aren't as already social justice oriented as the Not Sherlock fans on tumblr could get something new out of seeing them handled well.

[(Anonymous)]

Elementary may deal with certain issues better, but at the cost of not really feeling like Sherlock Holmes anymore, IMO. I'm a huge fan of the stories and many adaptations (with my favorite not being Sherlock, but Granada and the various Russian SHs, including female Watson and female Holmes), but Elementary barely shares the names of the characters and a very few other things with the canon (and I'm not talking about a female Watson, which could have been a brilliant move). The cases are boring and predictable and it just tries too hard to be different from Sherlock - at the cost of not feeling like Sherlock Holmes anymore.
And the fandom is very annoying, too. I understand their sensitivity after what happened with parts of the Sherlock fandom, but you can't criticize the show in any way without that you will be jumped at, no matter how valid your opinion might be and even if your critic doesn't mention Sherlock in any way. It's one of the most frustrating fandoms out there.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

There's really only two legitimate answers to the question of which Holmes adaptation is better:

1: Baker Street
2: Granada

Anything else is a gibbering incoherence of incoherent gibbering.

[angrymermaids]

I fucking love Sherlock's Irene Adler. I don't even care what overwrought meta someone wrote about how awful she is, I love her.

[(Anonymous)]

Despite its issues, BBC Sherlock is much more entertaining to me than Elementary. I gave up on Elementary eventually, because it was so boring.

[(Anonymous)]

Every time I see a secret like this, I wonder if it's pushing people away from the shows in question. I remember back before I started watching Supernatural that everyone was raving about how awesome Castiel was, most often framed in the context of how much Sam sucked. By the time my friends convinced me to watch the show (a task in itself), I couldn't stand Castiel and skipped all his episodes (one loaned me her DVDs so it was easy to do and she filled in the plot gaps for those eps). It took nearly a year before I could even watch one with him in it and even though I don't hate him as much as I did before I ever saw him, I still don't really like him and I feel it's because of all that vitriol that got wrapped up in my initial impression of him. Mostly because he couldn't be great unless Sam was terrible and boy did his fans love to pick at Sam. By the same token, I wound up with a lot more sympathy for Sam than I probably would have had; I had no idea who he was, but boy did I feel sorry for him. Maybe I wouldn't have liked Castiel anyway, but I'll never know.

Maybe it's just me, but I wonder how many people haven't seen these shows and were considering watching them until they got turned off by all the ridiculousness centered around how one of them can only be great if the other is terrible. Can't they just each exist on their own merits with their own interpretations? Like in alternate universes or something? Like how they coexist with the movies? I'm not in the fandom for either, so I only know what I read here, but no one seems to be having these wars with the movieverse. Unless I missed that bit. It's all down to personal taste which version(s) you like and other people not agreeing with you doesn't make you right and them wrong or vice-versa. It's all opinion, subjective.

Moffat handled things the way he wanted to handle them; Elementary did likewise. They're two different interpretations. And if they both handle them the same way, then there may as well only be one show. You're free to like one, both, or neither. I just don't understand why what people like about one can't be mentioned except in the context of how the other one got it wrong.

tl;dr - Can't we all just watch our respective shows and let go of the idea that one of them can only be good if the other one is terrible lest we ensure no one wants to watch either one?

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that pisses me off about Moffatt is not that he makes mistakes when writing female, LGBT, people of colour, ect. characters (I don't expect a straight, white, male to be able to write those type of characters without ever making any mistakes), it's that he's so unwilling to learn and accept it when he does make those mistakes.

He's like a child sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la la la I'm not listening" or even worse, using the "it's you that has the problem, not me, you're seeing things that aren't there" line whenever someone points out that there's a problem with the way he's writing something.