[ SECRET POST #2387 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2387 ⌋

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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

I've read excerpts and to be frank, that was enough for me to know it's pretty shitty. No need to torture myself by reading the whole thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I would copy-paste this statement, as it is an accurate reflection of my feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

This

No one should be required to read the whole damn thing to have an opinion of it.

[harp]

I agree with this so much Anon. How much of something is one allowed to try before they say "I really hated that"? The tangents we could weave from that sentence are many, so if anyone wants to reply to this with one of those tangents, please do; I'm always up for opinions on this.

(This next tangent-ish thing is not directed at you, OP, but is something I've seen all over the place. I like your Paint Bee)

I've noticed that for a lot of Twilight fans, there's literally no excuse for criticizing the series.
Criticize it and have not read it = "OMG you didn't even read it you can't say anything, how do you even know?!"
Criticize it and have read it = "OMG if you don't like it then don't read it!"

[(Anonymous)]

How much of something is one allowed to try before they say "I really hated that"?

Many people think poorly of Teresa Nielsen Hayden, but I still think this quote (from "Slushkiller") is right on the money:

I frequently see denunciations from writers who say an editor can’t possibly judge their novel from three chapters and an outline. Sure we can, even if the chapters are short and the first one’s atypical. In many cases, three pages are enough. You don’t have to drink the entire carton of milk in order to tell that it’s gone bad. And in any event, three chapters are certainly long enough to tell you whether you want to look at the rest of the book.

[(Anonymous)]

> How much of something is one allowed to try before they say "I really hated that"?

Not much... and that's fair. But to criticize a work you should really read it all. Especially when considering "message" and such, because often such a thing only becomes evident in the conclusion of the story. I've never read Fifty Shades, but supposing everyone is right about this whole abusive element to the story--what if that was subverted in the conclusion to such a degree that it was evident that the abuse was not supported at all? That it was a story about a deluded pair of people or something along those lines? Someone who only read the beginning would not get the full picture.

That's unlikely with FSoG considering how many people have read the full thing and still criticized it for this, but still. I personally don't take someone's opinion into consideration if they're just basing it off others'. This is standard for everything but pop culture, so I dunno why so many are defensive about it.

[harp]

what if that was subverted in the conclusion to such a degree that it was evident that the abuse was not supported at all? That it was a story about a deluded pair of people or something along those lines?
Someone told me that the story 9 1/2 Weeks was about a BDSM relationship gone wrong. I have yet to read it.

Anyhow, yeah there are certain isolated cases like this when a "thing" gets blown up in the media and some way or another, eventually everyone known how the story ends, even if they never read it. Definitely doesn't work with everything, but with something big enough, once a person knows enough about it through passive hearing then eventual looking around at reviews, that's usually when the opinions start.

Maybe I'm deluded to think this, but I can't imagine anybody on Dreamwidth/LJ/Other text-based communities deciding to bash something "because it's cool to do that". And I think that because if, for example, all my real life friends despised Archie what can you do? But on the internet, we have the luxury of forums and communities you can go to when you wanna get your Archie on, so there's less of a need to "hate it 'cause my BFF says it's sucky" online. Know what I mean?

[mondat]

I read the first 5 chapters (3 in German, 2 in English) as a preview for my ebook reader and deleted it afterwards. Especially the German version was terrible. Words were repeated, the girl sounded stupid ("Are you gay, Mr. Grey?") and he sounded sexy like a rolling pin, to me.

Later I created a Facebook account and was first suprised to see that most of my old classmates state it as a favorite book. But after thinking for a while, I could have expected it because these people weren't that "smart" back then...

[deadtree]

the English version is rife with repeats too. I cannot believe this woman was published.

And then people bought the book.

And then it was translated.

DAMN EVERYTHING.

[(Anonymous)]

This. People have read or posted excerpts online quite a bit, and you don't have to have read the entire book to realize there's a lot of misogynist shit in there.

Some people don't have to consume something in order to use critical thinking skills.