[ SECRET POST #2387 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2387 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/0zDqIui.png

[scherrymouse]

She's probably heard criticisms other people have made and based her conclusions from them. A lot of people do that.

I like your bee, OP. <3

[merryghoul]

This is exactly what I was going to say.

[al28894]

You took the words right out from my mouth. +1

[(Anonymous)]

Considering the sheer amount of stuff out there about both the scenes that have those messages, and the books in general? I can see where someone could find out enough to know 'This is Bad' and write about why.

[kallanda_lee]

I've read excerpts and to be frank, that was enough for me to know it's pretty shitty. No need to torture myself by reading the whole thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I would copy-paste this statement, as it is an accurate reflection of my feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

This

No one should be required to read the whole damn thing to have an opinion of it.

[mondat]

I read the first 5 chapters (3 in German, 2 in English) as a preview for my ebook reader and deleted it afterwards. Especially the German version was terrible. Words were repeated, the girl sounded stupid ("Are you gay, Mr. Grey?") and he sounded sexy like a rolling pin, to me.

Later I created a Facebook account and was first suprised to see that most of my old classmates state it as a favorite book. But after thinking for a while, I could have expected it because these people weren't that "smart" back then...

[(Anonymous)]

I love dat bee.

[(Anonymous)]

One does not need to roll in shit to know it stinks.

[(Anonymous)]

I basically agree. I read both Twilight and 50 Shades on purpose so I could criticize things I've actually read. I'm not comfortable having discussions about books I haven't actually read.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to knock people who banned books like Harry Potter for doing this, and only basing their opinions on hearsay. I do think those things about 50 Shades of Grey, and similar things about Twilight (after all, 50 Shades is a rewritten Twilight fanfic), but I have to wonder if that's hypocritical of me...

[(Anonymous)]

I understand where you're coming from, but the books are so famous that its characters, themes and quirks are extremely well known, even to people who haven't read it.

[sootyowl]

Only here for the bee. I want some tea and honey now.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is the drawing of a bumblebee.]

One of my friends started criticizing Fifty Shades of Grey for its anti-woman and pro-abuse themes. I agree with the message--I've read the series, and it does contain those messages. But recently she admitted that she hasn't even read the series...How can she even criticize it, then?
Picture related because: I just wanted to draw a picture of a bee.

[elephantinegrace]

If all it takes for me to decide not to buy a book at a store is reading the summary, then only reading the first chapter of 50 Shades is enough for me to decide it's a terrible book. Not to mention that people have posted some of the worst paragraphs and sentences online. I think I've read enough of the book to decide that I can go without reading the rest of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe she read the fanfiction version. The only difference is the names.

This is all you need:

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA

[greenvelvetcake]

I've never read the whole thing, but from the excerpts and summaries I'm read, yeah, I can make a pretty good assumption about the series. You don't have to eat an entire omelette to know it was made with rotten eggs.

[(Anonymous)]

I hang around people who have neither read a word of Twilight nor seen a minute of the films, but feel compelled to talk about how bad it is, and they tick me off royally, so, I'm with you. I'm no Twilight fan but at least I read some and watched some to know, jeez. (Sometimes I call them on this-- "It's definitely got its flaws. What part did you find so unrealistic?"--just to watch them hem and haw and finally admit they've never read a word/seen a minute.)

[(Anonymous)]

Your bee sucks, but B+ for effort (add legs next time)

You don't have to read the entirety of Twilight not to see the problematic aspects of it. This shows in the fact you agreed with her until you found out she hadn't read it. She still has points. You still agree with her criticism that it has an anti-women, pro-abuse attitude? Then what does it matter. She may not know the finer details of what Bella is thinking, but she knows the overall themes/actions. Hell, the wiki summary shows it quite well. You don't need to read every page backwards/forwards to criticise the general themes.

I really should go anon for this, but the heck with it...

[harp]

I'm not sure what you'd think of this situation, OP, but for me, I didn't read or listen to any of the sex parts and have only read the descriptions of the "worst" parts (the tampon scene, the "I think our unborn baby likes sex already" scene) but I severely dislike the feelings I get from that book. On its own, it would just be another poorly written airport novel, nothing special about it. But it's gone from "ha-ha, ok" funny to "Ok, though, seriously? Knock it off" obnoxious, and that's why, for me, I'd get vocal about it.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (I beg you, seriously) but it doesn't seem like the public is treating it the way it did Twilight, where it's universally understood that "this is not how you vampire/let's mock the fans/this book is just bad and dumb". I get the feeling that there's more respect in the mocking. Like it's being treated... I don't know, like people aren't laughing at the sex with the same "hahaha no" that would be given to a thirteen year old's work on Fanfiction.net, but like "Hahaha, I can't believe she went there!" kind of mocking. And there's definitely a difference.

Let me try one more time to explain... are you familiar with Chick Tracts? To me, Fifty Shades is to BDSM what Jack Chick's depiction of gay is to actual gay men- an entirely wrong, offensive parody written by an ignorant fool's imagination based on what they gathered after ten minutes of observing the subject in question through a funhouse mirror. That's my level of annoyance about 50SoG. On the bright side, it's such an unpleasant feeling that I can't even get close enough to mock it, so after a little raging, I have to find a distraction so I can go back to forgetting that book exists.

(*For a less infuriating look at Chick, please enjoy this guy's hilarious page by page mockery.)

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw The Room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_%28film%29). I only watched some outtakes on Youtube. I think The Room is a terrible movie and I didn´t have to watch the whole thing to gain that opinion.

I only read outtakes from Fifty Shades of Grey...

What? Did everyone just bitch about the bad parts? Did they leave out to Shakespearian writing quality from the rest of the book?

Late reply is late, yep.

[krait]

So... someone did research about a book... and drew a conclusion that you admit is correct... but you're mad because she did her research instead of reading a terrible book?

I see this attitude a lot in fandom, and I really don't understand it. Guess what, it's possible to be interested in something (or upset by a rumour about something) and find out the facts about it without having to actually subject yourself to that thing! This is why my friend knows a lot about Ancient Greek government without actually building a time machine to go back and live under it, and why I have never eaten kale but can conclude that the odds are against my liking it because I dislike spinach and three other types of greens.

I've never read 50 Shades, either, but I have read:
* reviews both positive and negative by people who have read it
* direct quotes from the text
* analysis by people who make a living analysing texts
* analysis of factors within the text, written by people who have life experience of same (BDSM, abusive relationships, sexual agency)

I don't think that my conclusions about the book are somehow invalid because I refuse to read it. NOT reading 300 pages of bad porn in order to determine that it's bad porn doesn't give me anything I didn't get from other sources; in fact, doing it the longer, less direct way meant I didn't have to read 300 pages of bad porn, PLUS I got to read some other great stuff - useful things like signs of an abusive realationship, thinky thoughts on tropes and female-directed romance, and even recs for good porn!