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⌈ Secret Post #2393 ⌋

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[saku]

yeah but all sexual orientations do that. that's the entire point of listing your sexual orientation. romantic orientation is something else entirely. asexual individuals who still face romantic attraction to, say, people of the same gender as them would thus be homoromantic asexual people. a lot of times non-aromantic aces will specify.

many people who fall under common orientations (ie. gay, straight, bisexual) use the aforementioned labels to describe both their sexual and romantic orientations. other people do not use them the same way, and that doesn't make them wrong for doing so.

[(Anonymous)]

But not really? Sexual orientation isn't the same thing as sexual attraction. Sexual orientation, at least that I've seen, is usually defined as something along the lines of "an enduring pattern of sexual or romantic attraction (or some combination of the two) to the same, opposite, or both sexes" (sometimes it includes other words, like physical, emotional, and affectional, in addition to or in place of sexual and romantic). If you say someone being gay is only about being sexually attracted to the same sex, you'll have a ton of people jumping on you (at least in my experience, maybe yours is different) telling you that it's not just about sex, it's also about who you want to have a romantic relationship with (maybe they won't use those exact terms, but they'll list a bunch of things that make a relationship romantic that have zero to do with sex). I guess if you want to get technical, you could say hetero/homosexuality is only about who you want to have sex with, but I think that's why a lot of people have moved away from those terms and use straight and gay instead, because there's more to it than just sex.

When someone says they're gay or straight it's always assumed to include sexual and romantic attraction. If people want to start saying they're a biromantic homosexual or a homoromantic heterosexual or whatever, okay, but it just doesn't make sense for all of the orientations to be about sexual AND romantic attraction, except for asexual, which is ONLY about sexual attraction.

I mean, obviously people can identify however they want, it just doesn't make sense to me personally. The OP was saying they thought there should be a different term, and I was agreeing. I don't think either is necessarily "wrong", it's just a complicated issue and people have different ways of seeing things.

[saku]

the wikipedia article on orientation is not very in-depth or accurate. i'm just guessing you might have referenced it based on the language you used.

gay and straight aren't really the same as homosexual and heterosexual though. the -sexual label is used primarily for describing one's sexual attractions. the asexual label is generally used in this way but even if you want to argue that -sexual is also by many people to describe their sexual and romantic persuasions (which is true, lots of people do use it in this way), many aces also use their respective label in the same manner. in my experience aces who are not aromantic tend to specify when asked about their orientation.

even if they don't though it's really nobody else's business what word they use. if it makes sense and feels right to them, then that's enough imo.

[(Anonymous)]

True, Wikipedia describes it similarly, but I've seen it various places. The HRC website is one (they use "physical and/or emotional"), and I know I've seen it on a few others that I can't think of at the moment. Obviously not everyone uses it in that way, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong if people want to.

I agree that heterosexual and homosexual aren't really the same as gay and straight but it seems like a lot of people seem to be moving away from the first two and using gay and straight instead, while still using asexual, which has more in common with the other two.

Honestly I think it's mainly a semantic issue for me, but yeah...ultimately it's up to everyone to decide what labels to use for themselves.