[ SECRET POST #2403 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2403 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why do people think that slash = fetishizing men?

Seriously, why? Do you people think all shipping is fetishizing, or just m/m? What about women who like f/f, are they fetishizing themselves?

Will someone please explain this to me?

[queerwolf]

I'm with you - I'm gay and I write m/m. I'm definitely not fetishizing myself - I'm writing the characters I think have good chemistry and that I don't get to see together in canon.

[elephantinegrace]

What about women who have m/m ships because female characters are generally poorly written in their canon and the male characters are the ones they relate to?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that every example of slash shipping is fetishizing gay people. However, I do feel like it happens a decent amount. Especially when I see so many people who seem to only care about the m/m shipping because "it's so hot!" and never seem to care for any female characters. It seems much more like a lot of them are straight females getting sexual pleasure from imagining two guys than people who legitimately care about the characters as people. It seems to me like straight males watching lesbian scenes in porn. And that makes me uncomfortable. (Queer female here, so I can't really talk about the fetishizing of men, but that is how I feel regarding the sometimes/potential fetishizing of gay people. And, yes, it is obviously just my opinion.)

[deadtree]

idk, it might just be the fandom corners I've always hung out in, but the shippers generally DO seem to care a lot-- an AWFUL lot-- about the characters as people. Shipping might be a major part of that or even the original reason why they started caring, but there's no shortage of strong feelings about the individual characters when it's a ship people are genuinely invested in.

[thene]

Yeah, no. Shippers tend to be downright worshipful about the characters they ship and often dwell on their personalities far more than their physiques. I'd also note that in almost all cases it's not gay men being fetishised but straight men, and I don't think there's anything to feel uncomfortable about there.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, yeah, sometimes it's really obvious. It's usually mostly silly, but sometimes it's creepy in a way that is really offensive.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't seem like fetishizing to me, at least not all the time. It seems to me more like "I like this better because I am attracted to both participants" or "the female characters are all portrayed as either pathetic or bitchy so I don't like them in a relationship with XYZ"

[thene]

Or, "there ARE no female characters", or "the only female character barely gets to speak or do anything except be a girl".

[(Anonymous)]

Because

1) occasionally it does fetishize gay men

2) much more often, it's a way of trying to play the "women are just as bad as men so we get a free pass for our shit" MRA crap

[(Anonymous)]

I am OP, and while I don't think it's ALL fetishizing (as I said, a lot of it is more respectful than how mainstream stuff treats women) I do feel some sympathy if it makes gay men uncomfortable in the way that exploitative crap makes women uncomfortable. But I don't think it's quite as bad, in this case, since it's generally accompanied by a lot of affection for the characters as people, so it isn't as objectifying.