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fandomsecrets2013-08-01 07:04 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #2403 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 12:18 am (UTC)(link)I was raised in a gays-are-bad mindset. Like, they want to destroy marriage and hurt your children and shit.
You know what helped me find the way out of that mindset? Loving. Like, not people who get all social justice and hate-filled (and seriously, there's a LOT of that out there.) Yes, there are lots of frustrations and stuff, and people get angry, but it doesn't change anything. It just gives people an excuse to say, yes that's really what gay people are like.
Justin Lee was one of the big influences that helped me find the path to truth, and it was by his espousing not just study and learning but LOVE: http://gcnjustin.tumblr.com/ He's a gay Christian who emphasizes we need to LOVE each other (as christians in particular) whatever we believe or don't.
And that is what is missing from so many of the arguments and boycotts on both sides of stuff.
Hate changes nobody's mind, it just gives an excuse to continue thinking "Oh yeah they're like that."
There is a lot of hate on both 'sides.' But I am now grateful to be a Christian who believes in gay marriage and love being equal with heterosexual marriage and love in God's eyes and in mine. And I'm working towards making the world a better place in whatever tiny way I can. I even write gay romance now!
But it happened because of learning the truth, when it was finally my time--and THAT happened from love, not all the arguments and social justice and hatred in the world!
Peace.
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 12:46 am (UTC)(link)This.
(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 01:58 am (UTC)(link)OP
(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 02:36 am (UTC)(link)I agree so much with what you say, especially with fighting oppression with love rather than hate, which simply fuels further hate.
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 02:37 am (UTC)(link)no subject
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 02:55 am (UTC)(link)Boycott or don't, but I don't understand what you're saying here.
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Why am I obligated to spend my limited entertainment dollars on his work, rather than the work of dozens of LGBT and gay-positive writers who are producing more than I can watch or read right now?
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 07:17 am (UTC)(link)For fucks sack, of course they're going to spend money on the stuff they like - there's just a lot of good stuff out there, which means you can be picky about *which* good things you spend money on.
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 08:08 am (UTC)(link)Honestly, I think they're responding more to how people are talking about Card [Look at all the 'DO IT TO SPITE HIM!' type crap people are saying], and the way people - albeit unintentionally - shaming the OP for paying to see this movie.
Also, no one is saying you shouldn't boycott if that's what you want to do. The OC never said you shouldn't. But by the same token, there's nothing saying someone obligated to *not* spend money on his work and spend it on LGTB/LGTB positive writers if they enjoy his work enough to be willing to pay for it.
And well...Speaking as lesbian who wants to see this movie [and lives in an area where job [and housing/etc] discrimination are legal]? You get a lot of shit, even hate, for admitting to that where I live. However, I've yet to hear of someplace/situation where the reverse is true. So please, can you not act like someone is doing that to you?
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I was specifically responding to "love not hate" anon who appears to be framing the boycott as an act of hate that's unlikely to change his opinion.
> However, I've yet to hear of someplace/situation where the reverse is true. So please, can you not act like someone is doing that to you?
Well yes, I do get a fair bit of shit in larger segments of SF&F fandom for choosing to boycott and patronize feminist and LGBT-friendly SF&F authors (the latter because I just don't have the time to avoid specialization). I've been called hateful (in this thread) and anti-american for supporting boycotts, at least once by a SF&F author.
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(Anonymous) 2013-08-02 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)And that's open to interpretation. I didn't read it that way at all, particularly given all the 'STICK IT TO THE [TOTES CLOSESTED] CARD!'
And I've been physically threatened for wanting to see it.
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