[ SECRET POST #2407 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2407 ⌋

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Comments

[kamino_neko]

Can anyone here actually figure out the least and most amount of generations that would exist between Batman and Kathryn Janeway?

Interesting question. Hard to answer.

Are we counting from today, or from when Voyager was on the air? Or when Batman first appeared in 1939?

Do we know how old any of Janeway's (post-20th-century) canonical ancestors were when they had kids?

Do we assume the existence of and survival of one of Damien or one of his clones? (This would be an obvious yes, if counting from today, but it's an open question if from 1995 or 1939.)

Do we assume Janeway was around 40 at the start of Voyager (the same age as Mulgrew) and therefore born in the late 2320s/early2330s, or that, like Picard, she's actually a decade or so older than the actor (meaning the 2310s/2320s).

Regardless, 21 greats is way too high. You can get surprisingly far back with only a few generations - Only 2 'greats' can get you back a century. So, Batman to Janeway would be a dozen 'greats', maybe, assuming a number of youngish births.

Let's assume that we're counting the Batman of 1939, Janeway was born in 2330, that the decade that Damien shaves off the first generation between them is within the error bar, and that we're looking at a standard 30-year generation.

So, we're looking at 291 years between the minimum when Bruce could have spawned, and the latest when Janeway could have been born. 291/30 == 9.7 Let's round it up to 10 generations.

So, So, Janeway, Janeway's Parent, Janeway's grandparent, Janeway's Great-Grandparent, Janeway's Great-Great Grandparent, Janeway's Great-Great-Great Grandparent, Janeway's Great-Great-Great Grandparent, Janeway's GreatX4 Grandparent, Janeway's GreatX5 Grandparent, Janeway's GreatX6 Grandparent - that's 10 generations after Bruce, making Bruce Janeway's GreatX7 Grandfather.

[kamino_neko]

Oops, I misread the question - well, I've calculated the most.

For least, we need to count from today, and assume an older Janeway, so, that brings us down to 210 years. So, 7 generations, making Bruce her Great-Great-Great-Great Grandfather. (Or assuming Damien and rounding down, only 3 Greats.)

[anonymouslyyours]

TY! Now I just need to convince myself the world does not me exploring the seven families between Batman and Janeway via fanwork. :/

[anonymouslyyours]

Oh my god. Thank you! Not only for the answer, but such a detailed one.

If I'm understanding you a likely, reasonable maximum amount would be ten generations but it wouldn't be impossible, though extremely improbable, to fit twenty in there?

[silverr]

I've also seen 33 years used as a general RoT for a generation.

[kamino_neko]

Not impossible, but extremely unlikely, especially assuming birth ages keep trending like they are now (however, the aftermath of WWIII could easily knock them back for a couple generations) - it would require all of Bruce's descendants in a direct line between Bruce and Janeway - save Janeway herself, of course - to reproduce at 15, or for several to have kids even younger, to balance those who had them at more usual ages.

Remember, though, that 20 generations is still only 17 'greats'.

[anonymouslyyours]

So even the extremely unlikely biological scenario baseline wouldn't really account for twenty-one greats?

I'd like to take a moment to OP for bettering turning what they most likely expected would be a thread of awesome headcanon and fangirl gushing into me poking people and demanding they entertain me with the math thing.

[kamino_neko]

Hmm. That would be 24 generations, making the average turnaround about 13 years. So...biologically possible, but a) only just, and b) as close to impossible as can exist on a social level. Again, that's 23 consecutive kids having a kid at 13 (since Janeway's the 24th generation, and Bruce is the 0th)...so, yeah, I'm pretty confident in saying that 21 greats, while physically possible is, in practice, impossible.

[anonymouslyyours]

Oh good goddamn I hate my phone, sorry!

Yes, thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, I'm the OP. Thank you so much for working this out! As you have probably guessed, I am terrible at math. I tried to do the calculations myself and eventually gave up and typed a random number of "greats".

But it all turned out OK, because now there is an entire thread discussing the mathematics of Kathryn Janeway hypothetically being Batman's descendent. This is why fandom is awesome.

[kamino_neko]

I don't think I'd say you're terrible at math based on this assumption. (Or even the fact that you gave up on figuring it out...it takes a lot of assumptions to come up with any of the numbers.)

It's very common to overestimate how many generations you have to go back to cover a given largish span of time - it's instinctive to call a century (most likely longer than anyone we know has been alive) a LONG-ASS time, but to also call a generation a relatively short period of time (at least once we get to be adults and grown-ups aren't all ancient)...and to estimate a LONG-ASS time as taking more short periods than it really does.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

On the matter of calling generations a short period of time, I wonder if social generations (Baby Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y) have influenced that. The social generations tend to be around 20 years apart.