[ SECRET POST #2414 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2414 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Akumu-chan / My Little Nightmare]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation/Deanna Troi]


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[The Borgias]


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[Kaiba Seto and Jounouchi Katsuya from Yu-gi-oh!]


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[Spring Breakers]


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07.
[Murder Rooms]


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[Twin Peaks]


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[Mass Effect]


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[Despicable Me 2]


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[Ice Age]


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[Arrested Development]


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[Super Junior]


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[Halloween]


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Comments

[pantasma]

The biggest disappointment was the actors who thought this was a great movie to get them out of the cutesy Disney channel niche into "real" movies.

[iceyred]

Haven't seen the movie, but did they really think that going from Disney to pseudo porn was an improvement? That's sad.

Dammit, actresses, learn from Hilary Duff.

[pantasma]

Yea, a few written and one movie-preview interview (y'know, for those "shows" they're putting before movies in theaters, now). The one I watched, she said something about how grateful she was to have the opportunity to work with such a great director the role that would help her break into acting in "real," not-kid movies. It seemed really twisted, but she was so sincere.

[belacqua]

Yeah, really. I don't care if they do revealing movies, but this one looked so ridiculous and male gaze-y, and nothing that I've read about it has convinced me otherwise.

[pantasma]

Not even just male gaze-y, but stuff that's like watching kink porn. It's sooo uncomfortable when you're not into it.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think that's unfortunate, but for some previously-shiny/virginal/Disneyfied actresses it *has* worked (Anne Hathaway in "Havoc" comes to mind). So idk, I think maybe it says more about the industry pinning girls into that cutesy/sweet role and *nothing else* and the roles available if they want to break out of that than it says about the actresses themselves.

[pantasma]

Point. I agree up to your last statement, about it speaking to the actresses themselves.

We all know there are -- and were -- many other audition opportunities. That they chose these roles is suggestive of their preference for them, either because of the predicted success or an appeal of the character or plot.

I find it suggests the industry's dichotomy of innocent and cutesy vs. naughty little sex bomb is so ingrained in their (our) identities, they must be willing to represent one or the other in order to find work; particularly considering at least a couple of them went from one end of the spectrum way the hell over to the other end. Like they tried to find the most adult role they could, managing to find one which falls barely short of porn.

[(Anonymous)]

They were and are almost certainly right, though.

I mean, kind of fucked up that this is how the entertainment industry works, I guess, but that's not really they're fault, they're making the most rational choices available to them.

There is, I think, a fairly widespread perception in entertainment that the role of "Disney girl" is intrinsically limited, that if you want to have a long term career it is necessary to move on from that, that you need to have an "adult" image and reach as a star, and that in some ways the best way to do that is by going as far as possible. And I think that's basically true (in large part because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, but kind of true in and of itself). So, I mean, they were making a career move and I think it probably worked, even though the movie could have done better . And this is also what's going on with Miley's whole music career, probably more successfully. Can't rely on tweens forever. Gotta talk about drugs and sex.

[pantasma]

I agree. There is a limited type of character Disney creates for girls, be in live action or animation. But I think you can move on to adult roles without it being an X(XX)-Adult role. Sex and drugs sells in our society, definitely. No argument. And Disney/Nick actors do need to find other roles for continued work past the tiny-bopper fan stage.

There are other options, though, that don't require you to make that kind of movie, or make it in a serious tone. If it was like "Malibu's Most Wanted," which is ridiculous and over-the-top and doesn't take itself seriously, than I might take less issue with it. (Not that I would think it any better -- I didn't like MMB at all.)

Or if they hadn't made such a big deal in their interviews about how it was going to their break-through role, in the world of movie/real/big-kid acting. It seemed more an attempt to go from the Disney niche to the Disney-gone-wild niche.

It reads less as a valiant, all-in effort, more an over-the-top swan dive from an overzealous teen. It's perfectly acceptable to take smaller steps and work your way into movies through minor roles or cameos. Seems more practical, too, but that's coming from someone not involved in the industry.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the perception is that the more extreme the shift, the more effective it is likely to be. And again, this is to some extent a situation where perception determines reality.

[pantasma]

I think it influences decisions rather than determines reality. Because they could have done something that revolved less around sex and more around violence, like "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" (Swedish, 2009, haven't seen the English one) and it still would have been an extreme shift of a violent vein.

Have they become more popular outside of tiny-boppers since this movie?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really know. But it is, frankly, less about popularity with teenie-boppers, and more about giving people in the entertainment industry the idea that you can carry a film that's not for teenie-boppers. And I think it probably has done that. Gomez seems to be working on her singing career more (which does seem to be going well, and to be making a decent attempt at breaking out of the teen ghetto), and looking at wiki, Hudgens has roles lined up in an indie movie about a teen mother and a thriller about a serial killer (Hudgens and Gomez are the two who this discussion really applies to). So I think it's at least a qualified success.

[pantasma]

I meant to enquire about their popularity with a group other than the tiny-boppers.

I always thought Gomez's music was geared toward that group, still. Granted I don't choose to listen to it, but when I work (or go to the store, or ANYWHERE), if it's not Aha!, it's her.

That does sound like a qualified success, at least for the latter. I hadn't heard or seen anything with either of them in it, so thank you for sharing.