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No see it's okay to look down on your employees when you use the term 'transgressive.'

It's especially easier to say that your workers aren't allowed to make social compacts without your involvement if you use the word 'transgressive.'

Not when you're on the clock working, no.

You can be an utter asshole

That's not being an utter asshole.

But still, good job encouraging the perpetuation of a practice which literally renders women into services rendered, and disproportionately punishes anyone who isn't a middle aged white male.

Good job completely erasing any agency servers have because they often have lady parts and sometimes skin that isn't white. Clearly the only people able to make decisions on their own behalf are white men who are older than you specifically.

I think servers should make at least minimum wage--that is, the real minimum wage. And I think they should be allowed to make tips on top of that if the customer decides to leave it. It's not as if that gets taken out of the bill.

If a restaurant wants to pay the servers decently and say that tips aren't necessary, that's just fine! I like that. And I'm still allowed to leave a $5 if I want. If I leave a five and the manager confiscates it (unless there's a tip sharing policy), he's stealing it.

But go ahead. I'm sure you acting like you own whatever female server of color who is approximately your age you've conjured up in your head represents kind management.

You're a good little capitalist, y'know.

Edited 2013-08-16 00:18 (UTC)

Well obviously you're allowed to leave it. They're hardly going to call the police and have you arrested for littering. The server can decide to keep it if they want, and he can decide to let them go if they do.

The people in charge, however, are perfectly allowed to tell servers not to take it because it encourages a deeply harmful misogynistic practice. And it does. Whether the manager is a straight white man or a transgendered gay PoC doesn't alter that in any way but rhetoric (I know you're not that stupid, but you really can be a dense petulant child when you've decided you;re right you know), it's one of those things that even if you stop believing it to be true, doesn't go away.

"(I know you're not that stupid, but you really can be a dense petulant child when you've decided you;re right you know)"

Well, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black in this case.

Since tipping's "a deeply harmful misogynistic practice" (and therefore only negatively impacts women), does that mean that men who get tipped are allowed to keep it?

No because the entire setup of tipping is harmful in itself.

...to women. Only. Even when men are being tipped.

No.

Old people, ugly people, black people, foreigners, etc as well.

Then it's not misogyny, you jackass.

Do you literally need me to spoon feed you these ideas in small one line chunks you moron.

It's misogynistic. It's also prejudice in a number of other ways. Both these things can be true at the same time.

Repeating, "it's bad because it's misogynistic" can kind of tend to lead someone to think that you think something is bad because it's misogynistic, and not because it's a complex issue that affects different groups differently.

But, okay! Tipping is prejudice! Yes, it is the very essence of prejudice. When I'm in a store and someone provides me with exceptional customer service, my desire to see them paid extra for it is definitely because I'm prejudiced against them. It all makes sense, now.

If you want to do away with tipping culture, the way to achieve that is to require restaurant owners to pay waitstaff a living wage (or at least the same minimum wage that workers in non-tipping industries are paid) -- not to let restaurant owners fire workers for accepting a tip. Think about the situation you're suggesting.

A customer, possibly assuming that their server is making $2.85 an hour plus tips, leaves a $5 bill on the table after their meal when they depart. The server now has to take that $5 bill to the manager and say something like, "A customer left this on the table for me because they thought I did a good job, but I know I'm not allowed to keep it, so I'll just give it to you, Sir."

Who, exactly, is demeaning the server in this situation?

Are you illiterate, read the article that got linked, the thing we've all been talking about.

And explaining they can't take a tip and placing it in a charity jar is not as demeaning as tipping, no.

Is it demeaning to haggle? Is it demeaning to pay based upon quality of services provided or goods produced? Is it demeaning to pay commission?

You wanna talk about "demeaning?" Let's talk about getting paid a wage that bears little resemblance to what you do and whether or not anyone benefits from it. That wage is determined by some random face who makes a metric fuckton of money off of what you do rather than off of what he or she can do him or herself.

Which situation would you prefer:
-getting paid for the actual results of your actual labor, or
-getting paid a base that has absolutely nothing to do with any actual results?

Would you rather work your ass off and be compensated for it, or work your ass off and get dick-all because OH you have a SALARY?

"getting paid for the actual results of your actual labor, or"

>Tipping

Top kek. Read a book.

Only the books that you approve of and that confirm the crap you already believe though, right?

AYRT did read the article, and the restaurant owner in it compares being compensated for customer service to stripping. That's pretty demeaning all by itself.

It's also insulting to strippers.

I mean is he anti-stripping? Because good luck with that

Or... does he want people to go to the strip club and not tip the dancer? Because paying some separate manager instead of the dancer sounds like I'm going to Jabba's Palace and she's some oppressed Twilek maiden

No he's not saying that, would you stop being so intellectual dishonest because you know he's not saying that. Stripping is a job in which everyone involved goes in clearly appreciating that people are selling their sexuality, and the appearance of intimacy and human interaction.

Being a server absolutely shouldn't involved these things, because it's not necessary to the role.

So you only tip your server well if they're sexy?

Damn, that's sleazy.

You know maybe we shouldn't let servers handle money at all! Money is dirty. Maybe we shouldn't pay them, either. I mean that probably hurts their dignity, being paid for customer service like a common stripper.

...because all servers are women, now?

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