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So the above thread made wonder why tipping is so huge in some countries. Since I'm not from a country that tips why do people get so hung up about tips?

cause most people make less than minimum wage and depend on the tips to live

How is it even legal to pay less than minimum wage? How do they get away with that? That's just so... wtf.

In the United States, it's a cultural norm, which means that people care because it's a cultural norm and violating it is impolite, and also because it's a cultural norm that the system has been built around. So when you don't tip, the waiters aren't getting paid the way they should.

Is it a dumb system? Yes. But it's the system we have, and that's why people get angry about people violating it.

It's mostly a US thing where cheapass employers pay their waiters less than minimum wage. Other than that, it's a joke and waitressing could get you a good amount of money if you're good. I used to waitress and would make $25 and hour with tips in a busy night.

my sister works as a waitress and makes like 2.50 an hour because employers are allowed to pay less than minimum wage as long as tips make up the difference (and sometimes employers don't do that, even though it's illegal). so with tips, she still barely makes minimum wage. this is why people are hung up about tips

And how is that legal? Does the US not have some minimum wage policy?

DA

It's straight-up illegal, at least in most places. The problem is that the law is not always followed and that labor protections, at least right now, are not great. It's difficult to enforce, especially when the workers don't report it because they need the job even if it pays poorly, and they're afraid of retaliation, or when they don't even claim the money they're owed in the first place for the same reason.

There's a whole host of reasons why it doesn't work very well, and they all boil down to it being too easy to treat your workers shittily in the US, especially when they are underpaid and in circumstances of economic necessity.

Well..Thats fucked.

Not technically true. If the tips make up the difference then they don't have to pay more than that. However, if you don't make enough tips to cover it, then the employer is legally require to cover whatever the gap is...Which is why they'll fire you if you regularly don't make enough in tips.

If the tips make up the difference then they don't have to pay more than that. However, if you don't make enough tips to cover it, then the employer is legally require to cover whatever the gap is

That's what I was trying to get across, sorry if I wasn't clear.

na

There is a minimum wage policy, but as ayrt mentioned, employers in the to use it as long as tips make up the difference. Unfortunately, there are some shitty employers who try to get around this and the employees are too desperate for work to try and do something about it. Or they don't know they can try to do something about it

*employers don't have to use it

Yeah, this. I mean, my problem with the anon and the article's opinion on tipping isn't that they think wait staff should be paid a real wage--of COURSE they should. My issue is the fact that bosses are being assholes.

How?

By the fact that they say 'we'll pay you a decent wage, but any tips given to anyone go to charity because (long screed about why tipping is harmful)'.

Histories greatest monster, kill cis yt yx.

Of course not history's greatest monster, but it's an asshole move--partly because it's fucking talking down to the wait staff.

I hate to break it to you, but a hell of a lot of managers think those working for them aren't quite their equals. They're stupid, see, and you have to help them because they can't possibly see what's good for them.

So you have to talk down to them because there's no way they could figure out for themselves that tipping demeans them! They don't realize that the extra money they're taking home to their family is the real problem!

And no way could you possibly both pay them a decent wage and also allow them to keep their own tips! That's crazy talk! These things can't possibly coexist!

I'm not against tip sharing, mind (as long as the boss isn't getting part of the pot).

This is nonsense.

You've decided from the outset that you're against this, and looking for excuses to support your view. Or would you mind telling me if you think there is any way the owner can have a tip free restaurant that you don't mind patronizing/demeaning etc. And keep in mind, it's not just because it's better for the wait staff, but also because it's better for the customers and the business as a whole.

I've decided from the outset that I'm against this because I read the silly article a couple days after it was first published.

A boss can totally run a tip-free restaurant. My tip for the server, above and beyond the bill and what he pays the server, is an transaction between me and the server that doesn't involve the boss at all.

You sound like you'd be a real shitty boss.

Some states (NY is one) have a separate minimum wage for people who make substantial money in tips (generally wait staff and bartenders--not, say, the coffee shop).

The boss isn't allowed to pay less than this minimum wage, but it's much lower than the minimum wage for everyone else.

Yeah I still don't get it, but any time I see tipping I know there's going to be oh so special america wank day and figure nothing interesting will happen today

It's just a cultural tradition in some places, and becomes a way of supplementing the worker's wage as well as showing customary appreciation. Often tied into class stuff. That's it. Cultural difference. And wages or prices being less, with tips expected to make up the rest.

I'm from a non-tipping country, but I damn well make sure I tip the local customary percentage in tipping countries (when the tips are "optional" and not just added to the bill automatically) because the workers almost invariably depend upon them.

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