[ SECRET POST #2419 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2419 ⌋

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Notes:

Way early because taking dog to the vet. :c

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Comments

[saturnofthemoon]

There was the part in Sandman where Morpheus condemned Nada to thousands of years in hell for rejecting him. Then again, Morpheus is a dick to everyone. Calliope is also depicted being raped. I don't know, in general I wouldn't call Neil Gaiman a shining beacon of feminism, but I don't find him to any more sexist than other authors I've read.

[(Anonymous)]

Not a direct reply to your comment, but A+ icon tbh

[(Anonymous)]

While I'd say one should be careful about depicting rape in one's work, I couldn't call the Calliope thing sexist. Or Nada, thinking about it. Both the men involved have their actions come back to haunt them, and neither the rape nor the imprisonment are glorified in any way.

[type_wild]

I really love "A Game of You", and I suspect that at least part of it is because all the central characters are women.

[(Anonymous)]

I never realized it, but this must be why that book is my favorite too.

[(Anonymous)]

That's explicitly presented as a shitty thing for Morpheus to do and it's like the biggest factor that leads him to eventually 'kill himself'. So, I mean, it's not like he's valorizing it. I mean, he is presenting violence against women, so there is that.

[ginainthekingsroad]

Yeah, I have to agree with the anon who said Morpheus' treatment of Nada is consistently shown as a Very Bad Thing. Morpheus is a petty, temperamental, and often hypocritical asshole. He needs to have more grounded characters like Matthew, Death, Lucian, and Hob around to call him out on it. And he ultimately has to die to become someone more understanding and merciful.

As for Calliope, their ugly breakup long ago is in no way a direct cause of her imprisonment and rape in the modern era. The issue "Calliope" makes a lot of parallels between her and Morpheus- particularly their imprisonments and their pride- and I think the person Calliope is at the end of her ordeal is much more like Daniel-Dream than Morpheus-Dream. She just reaches that place first.

[greenvelvetcake]

Morpheus condemning Nada to thousands of years in hell is meant to be a bad thing in the book. Characters call him out on how awful a thing it was to do. It's been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure he tries to make it right, and at the end of it, she stands by her decision to reject him.