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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-02 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2435 ]


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[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2013-09-02 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Teal deer says, "Not everybody has the same idea what 'equality' is or the reasoning behind it."

Take the Selective Service, for example. Some people think that having men register when they turn 18, and not women, is sexist because it means the men have a chance of being forcibly drafted, so they want women to register, too. Others think that it would be sexist to force the women to register, because males would put themselves at risk to protect their female comrades and would rather the Service was scrapped altogether. Or gay marriage; some people think that marriage itself is a ridiculous, antiquated ritual and that an enlightened society would be free of it. Others think that it's a way to bring two sets of family and friends together to celebrate a relationship (or something like that) so everybody should have an equal shot at getting one. We can't agree on an endgame, never mind how to get there.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-02 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The selective service objectors are just pure spite MRAs. They don't care about equality, they've just found one of the incredibly few ways that women actually get a fairer deal and are using its existence to bash the whole idea of sexual equality. They would brick their briefs at the thought of being called up, and instead of finding a better way, they just want women to have a brown underwear moment too. Basically the usual MRA cowardice masquerading as SJ.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-09-03 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
The selective service objectors are just pure spite MRAs.

Except for those of us who are religious or ethical conscientious objectors.
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...but what about us selective service objectors who are women?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-09-03 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, I'm seriously considering signing up for the army, sure, but at the same time, I don't believe anyone should have to sign up for the military/leave themselves open to being drafted. And I consider that a separate issue entirely from women in the military, as I believe the military is where all soldiers should be placed under the same expectations, regardless of sex or gender.

Like, yeah, there are a lot of MRA assholes who just use it for their own spite, but they are far from the majority of draft protestors.

Re: ...but what about us selective service objectors who are women?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
"But women get the babies, so it evens out in the end!"

(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
It's not fair that men have to sign up for Selective Service and women don't.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
You are right! It's not fair.

However, it's not evidence of *pervasive* discrimination against men - especially given that it came about because of discrimination against women.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. It's an excellent example of sexism against men (well, actually, it's more an example of how sexism against women, i.e. "women are too weak to fight", can harm men as much or even more so than women), but MRAs who bring it up usually only do so as a silencing tactic against feminist discussion. As if feminists are the ones who masterminded selective service.