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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-12 06:46 pm
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
The Walt-defending here is creeping me out. Walt shows no regret for absolutely anything he's done. He gets other people to do most of his dirty work (who then have the emotional repercussions of it, especially Jesse who just doesn't have that coldness necessary to keep it from destroying him), blackmails and manipulates. He consciously made the choice to be a bad person, that is the whole point of the show. He has no remorse at all for the destruction he's brought on everyone around him. That's pretty vile, and excusing away the poisoning is ridiculous. The kid didn't die so it doesn't matter, doesn't count? Really? He and Gus are on the same level, they're both evil and both made the choices to become that. They also both use threats and manipulation and violence and power to make other people do what they want, without any regard to those people's wellbeing. They don't care. On some level Walt cares about Jesse, but not a level where he is willing to let Jesse have a life worth living, since Jesse repeatedly tries to get out of the situation and Walt just reels him back in every time.

I think people who are arguing that Walt is a good/better person than the other characters are totally missing the point of the show. I don't see anything wrong with rooting for a villain in fiction, especially a protagonist villain, but to just refuse to accept that he IS the villain is choosing to be oblivious.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
He didn't poison a kid for kicks. It was a desperate measure to stop Gus from killing Hank and possibly the rest of Walt's family.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Also it was pretty obvious he felt guilty over Gale's death.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Or the 'Fly' episode that showed he felt bad about letting Jane die. I could go on. It's clear that Walt does feel regret for a lot of his actions.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
He did not feel about about Jane. At. All.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, he did. Did you see the 'Fly' episode? When he was high he starts telling Jesse how sorry he was about Jane, although Jesse didn't pick up on the full intent.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Because Gale was useful to him.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Why did he feel sorry for letting Jane die, then? Was she useful to him?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Did he actually feel sorry about letting her die, or did it just bother him that he caused Jesse pain? Same argument there - Jesse is useful to him. Also, at that point in the series I wouldn't say he was quite as far down the spiral as he is now.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
It's pretty obvious that Walt's feelings for Jesse go beyond Jesse being useful to him, given how many times Jesse messed things up. Even Vince Gilligan, who hates Walt at this point, has said as much.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I think they did at one point. They had kind of a warped father/son relationship going on, particularly after Jane's death. I'm only up to the first half of S5, but I would say at that point, Walt's love for Jesse is pretty minimal and overshadowed by his own power trip. Jesse has screwed up, but Walt has manipulated Jesse to such a degree that if it is a father/son relationship, it's certainly an abusive one.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
DA

I agree with this... and she was a special case, really. She wasn't actually a threat to him or his family, was not involved in the business aside from her link to Jesse and encouraging Jesse to get out of Walt's control. She's not like the other people that have died on the show in that she's relatively innocent, she's not involved in the conflict he normally faces. He didn't intend to kill her, either, he just happened to witness her death - which he could have prevented. I think the choice of not saving her was a very different one than the other deaths on the show, it seemed more unforgivable because she wasn't his enemy, she was just inconvenient to him. And it wasn't a situation where he killed her. He was given the opportunity to show mercy, something that could potentially have gone a long way to redeeming him, and decided against it. I think he was very aware of what it meant that he let this girl die just because he wanted her out of his way, and that caused him grief. Just not enough grief to actually stop her from suffocating.
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