[ SECRET POST #2447 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2447 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: Not OP

[melissatreglia]

That's also true. And the whole Ruby thing did piss me off when I first saw it.

But, after going back and marathoning episodes, it actually made some sense for her Team Free Will entry to be false. Why would a demon who's trying to change and help the good guys keep banging on about how Sam needed to drink demon blood to go after Lilith? And want to sacrifice a virgin? And... a million other questionable things she did that I can't place off the top of my head becauseit'saweekendandmybrainisfried?

Ruby's double-agent qualities were there, we just didn't notice them the first time 'cos we took the red herring.

Whereas Meg, she actually seemed to be gradually sliding into goodness, almost against her own will (all kicking and screaming, like). I certainly wouldn't expect the Winchesters to shrug and say "we're cool now even though you tried to kill us because you're a good demon instead of a bad one," though. I would've hoped that she'd put in a lot of hours trying to prove she's changed.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, to be fair, Sam evidently did need to drink demon blood to destroy Lilith. And wanting to sacrifice a virgin isn't as incompatible with being a good guy on SPN as it would be on some shows.

...in hindsight, that whole virgin thing was a pretty high-stakes bluff from Ruby, since if they'd gone along with it the free-Lucifer plan would have been seriously derailed.

Re: Not OP

[melissatreglia]

High stakes bluff or a hint of her true colours? I vote the latter, because it could have been a setup either way.

Or... sacrificing that virgin under those particular circumstances they were in might've opened one of the seals. Sixty-six seals, infinite combinations, y'know?

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

But would it have counted? The first seal hadn't broken yet, so I don't think breaking any of the others would work.

I agree that sacrificing a virgin is in line with Ruby's true colors, but neither killing herself and Lilith (if the spell worked) or destroying Sam's trust in her (if they tried the spell and it didn't work) at that point in time would have been in line with her long-term goals

Re: Not OP

[tabaqui]

This. Meg is all about Meg - she even said so - and she'll do whatever she has to do to survive. When it became obvious to her that cooperating with the boys/Castiel was what she had to do to survive, she was all in.

But she never once tried to buddy up and then screw them over - she was either gonna kill 'em, or she was being forced to help but she'd keep her word.

I hated the Ruby character because 'demon with secret heart of gold' is about the most boring thing i can think of, plus it was obvious she was manipulating Sam from day one, which was frustrating as hell.

In the end, Meg would never be good, but she was a lot more honest.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

...because Meg never tried to manipulate Sam? "Pretending to be friendly" was her entire mo when we met her as the hitchhiker, and that escalated into trying (successfully) to fan Sam's family issues.

Re: Not OP

[tabaqui]

Being sneaky *one time* is a far cry from what Ruby did. Once Sam blew her off, she was full-on demon.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

...dude, I normally agree with you, but I don't even understand your Meg defense here. Meg tried to trick Sam, possessed Sam, joined forces with Lucifer, killed Ellen and Jo, and then spent a while being all about survival but hardly on the good side. I mean, she only appeared in 14 episodes, and she was evil for 8 of them, with major redemption not happening until the last episode she was in. Ruby might have had a super evil plan, but she was at least useful to them most of the time.

Re: Not OP

[tabaqui]

Um...yes?
That's kind of the point, here? Meg didn't lie or manipulate or try to be their friend or promise them anything. She was straight-up evil from the get-go, and except for her very first encounter with Sam (when Yellow Eyes was still trying to woo, rather than coerce) she was always their enemy.

Ruby lied continuously, strung Sam and Dean along with promises of info and help, tricked them, withheld information.... She pretended to be on their side right up to the end. Meg never even bothered to pretend.

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it wouldn't have necessarily been a demon 'with secret heart of gold', it could have been a demon ending up feeling something (love?) for a human soul against its very nature. I would have found it interesting.