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Comments

Re: "Making love"

[caecilia]

another example of the fucked up attitudes the US has surrounding sex

How so? I think it's been around since the 1500s. It's not always 'love' in our modern sense of "I've been with them for three years now, and I want to buy a house and have kids with them." I could be wrong and I don't have a source on this but I think I've seen a few instances where "they loved each other" basically meant "they fucked each other". Any linguists wanna weigh in on this?

Re: "Making love"

[(Anonymous)]

Technically, in 1500s, it was actually a way of talking to someone [generally of the opposite sex] not physically making *anything*,iirc, and that person was not always your spouse/fiance.

So, it was more of a courtly love thing [since the only times I know of that term in relation to the 1500's it was related to the courts]. Even now, when it is used to mean something sexual, it's usually meant a very specific type of thing between two people who are in love...and not just a euphemism for "They fucked"/a one night stand, which is something different.

However, I'm not a linguist so I could be wrong about that.

Re: "Making love"

[caecilia]

Interesting! The only thing I found in my few minutes of heavy googling was To make love is from 1570s in the sense "pay amorous attention to;" as a euphemism for "have sex," from here.

I could be talking complete bullshit about the rest.

Re: "Making love"

[(Anonymous)]

At least in the area where I live (southern red state) there's this attitude that sex and love are intertwined to the point of almost being the same thing, and that it's somehow wrong (especially for women) to have sex without being ~in love~ and the people who "make love" rather than just have sex for the hell of it are somehow superior. I've seen the same attitude elsewhere in the country, and given the attitude of people from other countries who are all "OMG Americans are sooooo prudish and uptight about sex!" I figured it was a pretty widespread attitude in the US. And having a common euphemism for "having sex" (especially among people who look down on those who have casual sex/sex without being "in love", at least in my experience) that includes the word "love" just seems to further conflate the idea that the two are the same thing (or should be).

I realize in other time periods and contexts it had a different meaning/connotation but in a modern setting, among people I know and in popular media, where the only way I ever see it used is as a euphemism for having sex, it annoys me.

Re: "Making love"

[(Anonymous)]

SA

...and that should be "further the idea that the two are the same thing" or "further conflate the two" because as it is, that sentence makes no sense.

Re: "Making love"

[caecilia]

I see. Yes, I get being annoyed when they attach that attitude to it.

Re: "Making love"

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Just want to jump in to add that it *really* depends on area. The area I live [also red, southern state - in fact, nicknamed "Reddest State in the Union [which is weird considering voting history...but that's a different story]], unless you're in a really backwater town? No one is really going to say much about people having to be in love to have sex. They might side eye it a bit, but over all it tends to be ignored/common enough that the attitude the other anon mention just isn't that common.

[Sorry, I just get really annoyed with how "SOUTHERN STATE" has kind of become a reason until it's self for things when...that's not the case because they aren't the same across the board on a lot of things.]