[ SECRET POST #2459 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2459 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's transphobic to expect it to be 'warned' for. Warning implies a bad thing to me- like character death, or abuse or something. A character being trans* is not a bad thing.

I don't know what to say, really. Because you can't help being turned off by it, but the author can't be expected to 'warn' for it either. Tagging it or making readers aware would be making a bigger deal out of it than it is, 'othering' it. I think taking a risk some readers won't like it is better than being all 'WARNING: TRANS* PEOPLE" and risking genuinely hurting people :/ You wouldn't 'warn' for cis people, there's no reason to 'warn' for those who are trans*.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really no? People warn for sexual things and sexual pairings (slash or het). Doesn't mean it is bad, just means if isn't your cup of tea. And of course you wouldn't warn for cis people, that is 99.9% of the population.

[(Anonymous)]

....so, just because it's a minority, that makes it okay for them to be 'warned' for? Potentially stopping a reader from enjoying a story (they're a little disappointed, they go and read something else) or add, even in a small way, to the shit trans* people get every day? I know which one I'd go for.

I get pissed when people warn for slash, too. It's just not right to warn for something that isn't bad. :/

[(Anonymous)]

DA

So what if it's a trans* person who is asking? They would rather avoid reading about what they have to deal with IRL all the time. Are you still going to try to champion them and get pissed on their behalf?

no

[(Anonymous)]

WARNINGS ≠ BAD

Warnings = this thing is in here, just in case you want to know.

da

[(Anonymous)]

NO DONT YOU KNOW WARNINGS FOR SEX IS SEX SHAMING

SEX SHAMINGgggggggg

Re: no

[queerwolf]

I disagree. I see warning for something as "this thing is bad." Tagging for something, on the other hand, is different. That's letting the reader know it's there without ascribing a judgment value to it.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

So how do you feel about warning for kinks or sex?

Re: no

[queerwolf]

Same thing. Tag any kinks in the fic, but you don't have to "warn" for them.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

But warnings aren't necessarily bad and I don't understand why you think they are. Warning, this story is horror. Warning, this story is full of romance. Warning, this story is a WIP.

None of those things make a judgment, or claim that the thing warned for is bad in any way.

Warning =/= Trigger Warning

Re: no

[queerwolf]

I'm going by the definition of the word itself.

Warning: a statement or event that indicates a possible or impending danger, problem, or other unpleasant situation.

Sure you can claim it's all semantics, but the definition of the word indicates it's something bad.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. It's not warning because the thing is a problem. It's warning because readers may *have* a problem.

I have no problem with spiders but I realize other people do and can warn them if I'm posting pictures of one. I recognize the potential of others having a problem, even if I don't believe that spiders are bad. As a queer person if I warn for fem/slash, it doesn't mean I am saying fem/slash is a problem. It means I'm aware some people would rather not read it, and they can avoid "an unpleasant situation" for them.

Re: no

[queerwolf]

As a queer person if I warn for fem/slash, it doesn't mean I am saying fem/slash is a problem. It means I'm aware some people would rather not read it, and they can avoid "an unpleasant situation" for them.

As a fellow queer person I don't like it when authors "warn" for (fem)slash. The verbiage definitely bothers me. it's something that should be tagged for sure, but it doesn't require a warning.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree because we're beating a dead horse at this point.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It also means you're aware that there are people who specifically want to read it and nice enough to make it easier for them to find your fic.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

Not in fanfiction world. Just like slash means male/male pairings to fandom, warnings have a different meaning from the dictionary definition.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

Definitions depend on context, though. In fandom, a warning is synonymous with a tag, essentially. Trigger warning is for something that may be a "danger, problem, or unpleasant situation".

Warnings can range from "this is fluff" to "major character death". Warning for m/m might just let people know that the two main male characters are in a relationship rather than what's probably in canon, for instance. If you don't ship that ship it's nice to know in advance. I've seen the same kind of warning for het pairings in gen fic, where they pair up people that aren't together in canon. It lets people know who aren't fans of that pairing.

Re: no

[(Anonymous)]

AO3, ff.net and all the others could just change warnings to hoolalalababuba. It wasn't the best choice maybe, but it's been used to mean "this contains [stuff]" for ages in the fanfiction world.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I think fandom should change the term warning to something else, or just use "includes: [...]" -- I know I wouldn't be pleased to stumble upon something like the secret OP did, simply because I like to know beforehand if the author has changed a character that much. I'd "warn" for neko ears, too, after all, so why not that.

[thene]

queerlygen uses 'Contains:' rather than warnings, which I think is neat, as it lets you be neutral on whether the items you're listing are landmines or enticements.

[(Anonymous)]

I just call them tags, even if a tagging system isn't in place

semantics

[insanenoodlyguy]

tagged then. Is that better?

[(Anonymous)]

Asking people to tag (or say in the notes at the start or anything similar) for OCs, trans head canon or the main characters of the fic is not "othering" anything.

Many readers just want to know some details before reading something so they know if they want to read it or not :/

[(Anonymous)]

Is it kink phobic to warn for kink? Is it putting down people who practice BDSM to warn for BDSM? Is it putting down spiders to warn for spiders?

Not everything is bad. A warning is merely saying hey you reader, this thing is in here. I see warnings for M/M and F/F all the time and as a gay person this doesn't offend me one bit, because you can be pro-gay and still acknowledge that reading smut about it is not some people's cup of tea. I don't like to read het sex but that doesn't mean I condemn my RL het friends WTF.

Hell if there were a cheesy schmoopy romance warning on every fic that has that, I'd be happy

[(Anonymous)]

I think it makes sense, though, to tag a noncanon transsexual in the way you'd tag always-a-girl/boy. IA with the anon upthread who pointed out that it's relevant to characterization and how you read a fic, so yeah, it would be nice to know beforehand.

[(Anonymous)]

Warnings are also for possible triggers, which unexpected graphic PIV sex, as described in the secret, can be. I wouldn't expect a warning for trans* characters in a gen or non-graphic shippy fic, but I would prefer some indication that the smutty slash or femslash fic I've sat down to read contains a genital configuration that figures into several of my triggers.