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⌈ Secret Post #2476 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm going to assume "default hetero." But along with that I'm going to assume "default hetero who has probably never questioned their sexuality." Once they do, or start, who knows what could happen?

Are they hetero/IDing as hetero currently? Sure. That doesn't mean the possibility of queer is 100% out! :)

same anon

[(Anonymous)]

Unless they *are* shown canonly questioning and deciding they are hetero. Then it's more concrete.

But a whole lot of people simply never question their sexuality because they assume they are 100% straight. So unless it's actually shown, or they mention it, I'm not going to dismiss the possibility.

[(Anonymous)]

This, pretty much.

[(Anonymous)]

....no. Sometimes you can question your sexual orientation and then conclude with, "I am in fact heterosexual."

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes, obviously.

But have I seen the character do that? Have they mentioned something about it? If they have, I'll take them at their canon word. But if they haven't, and not characters canonly do, I can assume they haven't thought about it, can't I?

I mentioned as much above, in the comment you didn't read.

[(Anonymous)]

If they are 30+ it is generally safe to assume they are pretty set in their ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Generally safe to assume, sure. Absolutely certain, nope.

And that's what fic is for, exploring possibilities. :D

[(Anonymous)]

But here's what I don't understand - why does it matter to you whether or not you can find a way to justify the possibility of them being queer canonically? If you want to explore possibilities, explore possibilities. There's nothing stopping you from doing that, no matter how canonically het they are. It just looks, to me, like an unnecessary step to take.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't matter to me whether it's canon or not, really. I'm going to do whatever I like in fanfic. I'm perfectly OK with doing a total AU where a 100% straight character is gay, whatevs!

I just feel it's inaccurate to say that every character who has shown attraction toward same-gender and has never denied attraction any others is incapable of being bisexual, for the reasons I stated above.

"The possibility of bisexuality being canon still exists, sometimes." I was merely mentioning that. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Ah well fair enough then!

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly how it works in real life. Uhuh.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, is questioning your sexuality something everyone is supposed to do, or can I just assume that since I'm attracted to men and greatly enjoy sex with my husband, that I'm hetero? Is everyone supposed to have some sort of sexual questioning or are there a lot of people out there who just don't know that they're gay?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry. You are probably bi. Sure you may think you are hetero, but unless you make out with some girls, how will you know?

[(Anonymous)]

No? I didn't say everyone is supposed to do it, but that some people don't do it ever.

A whole lot of people I know say something like this: Homosexuality? That's a thing that "other people" do. They'd never consider seriously that they might be attracted to someone of the same gender, even if it's to think about it and to say no. That would never happen for them. They've never once seriously entertained the possibility even to reject it.

The way I see it, for a certain conclusion to be reached, either way, thought actually has to be given instead of dismissed as impossible to begin with and never considered.

I'm sure you've heard the stories where married couples break up because one of the two realizes too late that they aren't sexually attracted to the other in the pair? What do you think happened in those situations?

[(Anonymous)]

Whenever you hear about those couples it is generally one person who always knew but was repressed.

[(Anonymous)]

Really?

Most of the stories I've read was "suspected but repressed because of culture and circumstances and didn't allow themselves to give it serious thought. Only realized afterward, too late."

After all, why would they question? They're doing what everybody tells them they're supposed to be doing, and if the woman doesn't like having sex with the man but everyone tells her she'll learn to like it and that women naturally have lower sex drives and it's a normal thing...

[(Anonymous)]

You're reaching and trying too hard. The people I've known all knew.

[(Anonymous)]

Ahaha, and the people you know represent all of humanity regardless of culture or background! Unfortunately you can't argue that, as it makes no sense.

The discussion is unbalanced here, I'll admit. You can say all the people you ever knew totally knew beforehand, and it might be true. I'm not saying you're lying! But all I have to do is say that you can't prove that this is true of all people off of such a small sample size, and say that I've known some who didn't, in order to argue that "some" people don't know, and that therefore, given nothing else to go on, the possibility is there. Which is what I've been saying all along.

I'm not saying everybody doesn't know. That'd be silly. But I hope you're not saying that all people everywhere know, because that would also be silly!

[(Anonymous)]

Firstly - At what point did I say that the subset of humanity that I know represented all of humanity? No, really, highlight that phrase for me.

Secondly - If you are the person above me and the person two above that, you seem to assume that *everyone* needs to have some soul-searching journey or that Evil Society Overlords are programming their sexuality into them. It's not like that. Some people just know that they are X, they are not Y, and no, there's no possibility of being Y for them.

YOU may have needed to question yourself. OTHER PEOPLE may just know what they want in a sexual partner, no reflection needed/wanted. We aren't all reflections of the Sexually Confused Journey.

[silverr]

"I'm sure you've heard the stories where married couples break up because one of the two realizes too late that they aren't sexually attracted to the other in the pair?"

Which ... does not automatically mean that they married the wrong gender: it could also mean that they married the wrong person.

[(Anonymous)]

"I'm sure you've heard the stories where married couples break up because one of the two realizes too late that they aren't sexually attracted to the other in the pair because they are attracted to their own gender?"

I thought the last eight words were heavily enough implied considering the context of the conversation, but I guess not. There, now it's clarified!

Were you refuting or denying what was intended to be said, or just pointing that out?

[(Anonymous)]

You and your prosaic explanations for things that happen every day!

[(Anonymous)]

You really never once thought around age 12 the first time you heard about gay people "Hmm...could I be gay?" Everyone I know did, at least everyone who had some sort of exposure to LGBTQ people in life or media. Most people end that thought after 30 seconds with "Nahh, I'm straight. Moving on!" The rest of us 10% think about it a little more and consider things.