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[ SECRET POST #2485 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2485 ⌋

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Twilight]

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[Lana Del Rey / Marina and the Diamonds]

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[Long Way Round, Long Way Down]

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[Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Pacific Rim]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Captain Marvel]

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04. http://i.imgur.com/0yNO2kE.jpg
[Lana Del Rey / Marina and the Diamonds]

I love them both, but please tell me who thinks they have mainstream success. Count how many times Lana says 'red dress' or mentions driving. Tell me how much Marina breaks off into semi-high pitched crooning to the point where you don't know what she's saying (Ex; E.V.O.L, which I love to death)

Then I think we'd have to define mainstream success....can you walk up to a random person on the street and ask who they are without them going "Who?'

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I've only heard the remix...is it that one, or is the original being played too???

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morieris - 2013-10-22 23:13 (UTC) - Expand

Have you listened to pop music lately? Simplistic, repetitive lyrics about shallow crap set to autotuned-as-fuck melodies are the order of the day. Compared to real mainstream, hell, even Lana del Ray's lyrics can achieve the occasional moments of depth.

pls tell us the era when every pop song was a deep poignant mature reflection of the eternal nature of the human condition.

Are you thinking of the 50s, when songs like "Mambo Italiano" and "Great Balls of Fire" and "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window" reflected the tense, existential anxiety of a world in the grip of a nuclear arms race. Or maybe the 1960s when you had songs with nuanced lyrics like "I Want To Hold Your Hand", or "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", or the incredible production on 1970s classics like "Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Old Oak Tree", or the completely sensible lyrics of every song Oasis wrote, and etc. Can we get rid of the idea that there was some golden age when there was never any bad songs, and that this era is unique in the existence of crap that's popular?

Also: I don't agree at all with the idea that being simplistic or even shallow is necessarily a bad thing for a song, especially a pop song. If something is simplistic, that can also mean it's universal - and the best pop is able to say something that's ultimately universal, ultimately simplistic enough that all or most people listening to it can relate intimately to that message, in a way that still deeply touches our hearts and affects us emotionally. That's what pop's all about and sneering at it for being simplistic is missing the entire point. Depth isn't just about the intellectual content of the lyrics, but their emotional content. Pop songs can have clever lyrics but they don't need to, and clever lyrics do not necessarily make a song better.

Thanks for the lecture on music history, but it's fairly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Two current artists' success is being called into question to the perceived low quality of their music. A quick comparison with their contemporaries shows that they're not in their own league of badness and are in good company, and therefore there's no reason they shouldn't achieve success. It's simple as that. In fact, if your argument that pop has always been simplistic and shallow then it proves my point: contemporary pop is no different, so mildly above average translates to mass appeal.

But it's nice that you feel strongly about things, I guess.

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Classy.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-10-23 00:23 (UTC) - Expand

Well, I'm glad somebody said it. All I can see in that picture is her ridiculous lip job.

I don't know if this woman looked different before, but people CAN have lips like that naturally.

Her lips actually look kind of thin if "average", by my standards.

As someone who works in a beauty salon, I can say with 99% certainty that Lana has had injectable fillers. And by the looks of it, she's either put too much filler in the top lip, or her beautician simply isn't skilled enough to be doing lip fillers in the first place.

When she talks, her lips don't move properly and they're so swollen that it gives her a very "ducky" look. Stuff like this makes me so angry, because the mistake is obvious and her beautician really should have known better.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-10-23 22:15 (UTC) - Expand

It;s still pretty hard to read, OP.

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I know, I'm sorry :(

man, i get tired of people comparing these two, they're really not particularly similar musically.

fwiw as for the actual secret: i'm not casual at all and i still love marina, so there you go, anon. music taste is incredibly subjective. i think it's pretty crappy when people dump on others for their favorite genre or artist, no matter what it is.

plus a lot of people also judge marina based entirely on electra heart and like to forget entirely about family jewels, which is far and away the stronger album.

Aw I love Marina but hate Lana del Rey. It wouldn't have occurred to me to connect them at all, let alone call them "arty".
I enjoy listening to Marina's music because it's personal and fun. I find Lana del Rey embarrassing and shallow and weirdly empty? I've loved my share of shitty pop music so I can't judge anyone, but something about her just grates on my nerves.

I'm not sure who the other woman is, but oh my goodness :O I LOVE Lana Del Rey's lyrics! Most of the time anyway. I don't think she has any one song that is lyrically fantastic all the way through, but her songs definitely have some poetry in there. Or at least I think so :,)

I'm not sure about mainstream success though. I feel like Lana's only super famous on Tumblr and stuff like that. A lot of people here don't know who she is, or if they do, they don't even know what she looks like or they can't name a song by her, etc.

i dont listen to marina but ive never heard anyone call Lana high brow lol. i like her lyrics, even if they are simplistic and sometimes silly. that's probably why. i find her relatable in a weird way.

I adore Marina's lyrics they're fun to sing along and I find them empowering. I mean all I wanted was the world? Is that really unreasonable?

And Lana's lyrics always bring a sense of sadness. It less about the actual words to me and more about pulling out emotion.

Sorry if they're not what you want them to be? But I feel like the lyrics invoke exactly what they're meant to.

a lot of other people have no taste too

Aw man, I LOVE Marina! Never thought she was mainstream tho? (Really?)

I don't think her music sounds shitty and amateurish, but then I'm not a connoisseur or anything. I listen to a lot of music and like a lot of it and don't particularly care if it's not ~arty or ~deep or ~super high caliber (whatever that even means). Besides, I find a lot of the music I like, by a variety of artists, to be deep on some way, or relatable in some way, that is personal to me. Like with any subjective things, YMMV.

Yes. Though I think the worst coming out of recent years is Lorde. I liked her stuff in a "girl singing in her bedroom" way but they don't even sound complete for Youtube.

Taste is 100% subjective. And the big mistake everyone in the world, even academia makes is that they think they have the ability or the right to decide what "taste" is.

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