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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-23 06:41 pm

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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
IDK what fandom this is but I love the green-haired chick's design and I kind of want to cosplay as her now.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Monster High.
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[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-10-23 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
They're perfectly fine with kids idolizing stick people who all have the same body as long as they're the correct race? That's kind of hilarious.
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[personal profile] morieris 2013-10-23 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Do these people know that they make CHILDREN'S COSTUMES of Jinafire, Clawdeen, Skelita, Abbey, Lagoona, Frankie, Draculaura...half the damn cast?

As long as we're not painting ourselves something that can be mistaken for another race - I'm not even going to talk about the Catty Noir debacle - people can cosplay whatever they like.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Woah, what happened with Catty Noir? I really liked her design and I'm not really in the fandom so I feel like I missed something. :(

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a young girl who has videos on youtube of dressing up/makeup of various monster high characters (I haven't watched the video; I don't know if she does the makeup, or an adult does), and she dressed up as Catty Noir, painting her face black (literally black. Like a cat.) in the process.

Cue tumblr getting upset at her "blackface".

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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-10-23 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially since if you are cosplaying Monster High characters, you are cosplaying as non-Humans. To say that only certain ethnic groups can cosplay as, say, Clawdeen, you are saying only those people can be werewolves. Which the more you think about it, the more absurd the idea becomes. Clawdeen is werewolf. Her skin color isn't brown. Her FUR is brown. When you are looking at her, you aren't seeing skin. You are seeing fur. Just like Skelita is a skeleton. You have no idea what her skin color is because she doesn't have any skin. She could be an Euro-Latina. Or indigenous New World Latina. Or Afro-Latina. You don't know.

Again, the more you think about it the more absurd the idea only certain groups are allowed to cosplay MONSTERS is.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes this. I think the problem with dressing as say Clawdeen is that people might be inclined to color their skin brown, which is a bad idea. But if you just get the wig and the fangs and the outfit and the doggy ears and if you want you can make suggestions at fur, that's fine.
Skelita I can also see being a problem because there's a huge problem with cultural appropriation of sugar skulls, but IMO white people and some non Latin@ POC care about that more than 90% of Mexicans, and the rest of Latin America doesn't even celebrate Dia De Los Muertos. (I say this being Latina myself)
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[personal profile] sarastark 2013-10-23 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Those assholes can go to hell. If my little blonde girl wants to dress up as Cleo De Nile, they better not say a damn word to her.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
A coworker's blonde haired blue-eyed daughter was Cleo last Halloween. She rocked it.
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[personal profile] sarastark 2013-10-23 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
My daughter was Storm from X-Men 2 years ago, I made her the white outfit from the cartoon. She was in heaven and no one said anything to her. (Of course, no one but a few of the dads knew who she was, but when they did, they just said "cool, Storm!" not, "how dare that little white girl try to be a classic black character!)
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[personal profile] queerwolf 2013-10-23 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Do all of the characters inspire this or just the ones "of color"? They're monsters. They're not necessarily any particular race. My roommate's niece is dressing as Draculara for Halloween. She's 7. I dare someone to tell her she's not allowed.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-24 07:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm kind of confused as to which race the green one is supposed to be...
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-10-23 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Tumblr rage? Oh, do go on. It must be a day that ends with "y."
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[personal profile] elaminator 2013-10-23 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
NGL, that seems rather accurate.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-10-23 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It is accurate. And the many subjects of tumblr rage SHOULD make your average person roll his/her eyes and say, "Oh, grow up and get out of the house for a while." But, I don't know, people lash back. (I am guilty of doing this.) And then that's start the back and forth bickering that usually ends with, "You!" "No, you!" "No, you!" "No, you!" etc;.

It's only when you step away that you realize how incredibly silly and sad it is. Especially when fighting over such trivial things really don't change anything. You do more good stepping away from your computer and volunteering at a youth/homeless/women's/blank shelter than making a post on tumblr.

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(Anonymous) 2013-10-24 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Some people on tumblr consider it cultural appropriation for a little white girl to dress up like Pocahontas. Yah know, it might just be that kids aren't so fucked up as to categorize everyone by their race and they just want to dress up like characters they admire. Fancy that!

(Anonymous) 2013-10-24 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Almost all of the complaints I've seen about cultural appropriation (both on tumblr and the various JL-type sites) were obviously made by people who had no idea what cultural appropriation actually was.

They seem to think it's "white person interested in a non-white culture". Or worse "American interested in a white European culture" (somebody seriously said Brave was cultural appropriation)
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To see if I'm understanding what cultural appropriation actually is . . .

[personal profile] feotakahari 2013-10-24 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Is it cultural appropriation when a Japanese show uses Christian symbolism out of context in nonsensical ways?
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[personal profile] otakugal15 2013-10-24 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I KNOW.

All the race wank and the supposed "blackface" shit is REALLY getting on my nerves, goddamn.
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[personal profile] rbhudson 2013-10-24 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
I can see where someone would be upset that a white person is dressing as a Dia de la Muerte skeleton or an obviously Chinese-influenced costume.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-24 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
i don't know much about dia de la muerte or its skeletons, but i'm not really sure why one would be offended by a white person going as the green-haired character in this? she's in a chinese-looking costume, but it's not like it's remotely accurate to any period in china. and anyone wearing her costume is wearing a costume of her, that specific fictional character, and not a ~geisha girl~ or a ~rice paddy worker~ or whatever stereotypical costume.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-24 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say the costume of the "Chinese" character is more offensive (in the tradition of the ~sexy Asian~ costumes the cultural appropriation people keep raging about) than the thought of a non-Asian person cosplaying the (monster) character.
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[personal profile] rbhudson 2013-10-24 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly, it's not about the monster but about the cultural aspects of the costume