[ SECRET POST #2496 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2496 ⌋

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Comments

[starphotographs]

You know, when people complain about pirating, the thing that always gets me is that there are a lot of ways to acquire something without benefiting the creators/companies involved, even if money does change hands. Yard sales! Libraries! Thrift stores! Borrowing! Rental, if that's still even a common practice! And where the hell were all these people when everyone recorded favorite shows and movies on VHS tapes (and occasionally passed them around)?

Admittedly, I don't know the details about where money goes in all of those situations, and you can make the argument that someone bought them in the first place, but... The files exist because someone had them and put them there? I dunno, I can't wrap my head around the whole "lending to/sharing with a few people is okay, but sharing with a lot of them is wrong!" thing. Especially when the thing in question isn't a physical object and thus cannot be kept from other people who might want it, a la libraries/rental stores.

[(Anonymous)]

Files on the internet available to thousands of people? They lose a lot more money that way than say, a garage sale.

[starphotographs]

Well, it probably doesn't nearly match the number of people torrenting something uber-popular, but I think a lot of larger libraries in very populous areas could potentially have thousands of people reading the same copy of a book for free.

I mean, I get where you're coming from, but it's still the exact same thing on a different scale. Either neither one is particularly wrong (or particularly right, because whatever, you're gonna watch a movie, not save a busload of orphans) or they're both wrong but one is a lot less wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Hell, back in my day, making mix tapes/CDs was the big thing. Someone would make a mix and then pass it around for other people to copy until practically everyone in the grade had a copy.

In college, my friends and I would loan DVDs, CDs, and video games to each other. We'd even divide up who bought which movies so that we spread the costs out across everyone: one friend would buy one movie we all wanted to see, and then another friend would buy the next one. The end result would be 8-10 people seeing a movie from a single copy of it.

[(Anonymous)]

There are people and companies that are anti lending-library because they cut into profits. Harpercollins, while not being explicitly anti-library, requires libraries to buy new copies of digital titles after 26 loans, and for awhile Penguin would not sell ebooks to libraries at all. The same title as a physical book might get leant out 120+ times before disintegrating. Plus libraries will often rebind, mend, and re-cover books to get extra circulation out of them. And that's before getting into the argument that public libraries are a drain on the taxpaying public, who of course all have internet access and e-readers and so don't need libraries, which are only used by the elderly, the poor, and the young, who are all worthless leeches on the public purse.

Just to be clear, I think the above arguments are a load of horseshit.

[starphotographs]

Holy fuck, it exists. D:

[(Anonymous)]

:(

[darkmanifest]

I want to murder anyone who says that kind of bullshit about libraries. They're such a critical lifeline for anyone poor or young or just people who need someplace clean and warm/cool to go and sit and be at peace for a few hours without being harassed to buy something or stop loitering, or anyone who wants to legally access entertainment or research media without spending a small fortune or taking up space in their homes, even if they can afford it. Anyone who wants to take that kind of precious resources away from the public has no fucking soul.

[(Anonymous)]

nope
if you enjoy an ongoing tv show and do not live in the US/UK/Japan, wherever it's broadcasted, you have zero chances to participate in a fandom of you don't pirate the show
catching up years later is not the same

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I'm glad some paid channels on my country are starting to notice this and are broadcasting the episodes of some few series one day after the original broadcast.

That makes easier to both participate in fandom and seeing a show legally.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry, some people do remember those all ways, like the politicians in my country.
They tried a year ago to make illegal selling second hand books, cds, dvds, school textbooks, etc... *shivers*

[starphotographs]

Sheesh, that's messed up!

You know, once a copy of something is yours, you ought to be able to do whatever the fuck you want with it. Lend it out? Sure. Take it to Goodwill when you're done? Go ahead! Let other people make copies? Knock yourself out. Just don't charge money for it or act like you made it yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope your "don't charge money for it" refers solely to the owner allowing people to make copies. If I buy a book and decide later that I no longer wish to keep it, I have every right to sell it.

[starphotographs]

Yeah, that's fine! Like I said, yard sales are a legit channel for acquiring stuff. I dunno, I guess I phrased it oddly and left out some nuance. What I meant was more along the lines of "don't charge people for copies as though you own the material."

[ariakas]

Oh, they know.

This is why video game companies try so hard to stamp out used game sales.

[starphotographs]

You know, I think I've heard about that before and promptly forgot about it. My brain obviously wanted it repressed. XD

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure the author of the Horrible Histories books for kids spoke out recently against lending libraries because they were "stealing" from authors. Fuck off mate.

[starphotographs]

...I have one of those books. That I got at a library book sale. :D

TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE POCKETS OF LIBRARY-HATERS AND GIVING IT TO LIBRARIES. <3

[quantumreality]

Authors do know libraries often negotiate royalty agreements in exchange for lending books, right? :|

[quantumreality]

And where the hell were all these people when everyone recorded favorite shows and movies on VHS tapes (and occasionally passed them around

There were significant inefficiencies, transaction costs, and quality-degradation issues associated with the old practice of putting things on VHS tape and passing them around. For these reasons it was often not worth the trouble to go after casual copiers like that.

Today, all the inefficiencies are gone and the quality loss converting HDTV or a Blu-Ray to high quality AVI, MKV or MP4 can be all but nonexistent. So I can see why the RIAA et al are so hopped up over it, but their absolutely hamfisted dinosaur-like strategic response is almost embarrassing to watch.