[ SECRET POST #2496 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2496 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[loracarol]

As long as you admit that you're pirating, and why, I don't care.

It's the people who act like their not actually "pirating" or that it's ~morally correct~ to steal things (with some exceptions- Orson Scott Card, for one example) that piss me off, personally. |D

[(Anonymous)]

I think I might be misreading this - are you saying that it is morally right to steal from people whose morals/beliefs you disagree with, like Orson Scott Card?

[writerserenyty]

IA; I've seen people say that it's more morally correct to pirate and I just can't agree.

[(Anonymous)]

It's the people who act like their not actually "pirating" or that it's ~morally correct~ to steal things (with some exceptions- Orson Scott Card, for one example) that piss me off, personally. |D

Or like they're doing it as some sort of act against capitalism.

No, you're not. You're acting against a cashier who works at a store that sells shows and movies. You know, the person you think you're rooting for.

[(Anonymous)]

i have never seen someone judge someone for pirating on the internet (at least not severely).

[dreemyweird]

f!s folks constantly jump at people's throats for pirating. Tbh, the passion people display when it comes to this subject is beyond me, but it is definitely there.

I just really, really don't think the issue has anything to do with morality and the like. And then I go on the internet and see ethics-based arguments everywhere. and im like???

[diet_poison]

Personally I don't think you're doing anything wrong. Hell, if you are literally unable to contribute to the franchise financially, you're doing what you can by participating because the bigger the fandom, the more publicity a franchise gets.

[(Anonymous)]

Most pirated franchises are also the ones that sell more. Is that coincidence?

[(Anonymous)]

I understand that people might have better reasons than others for pirating. I'm certainly not on a high horse about the morality of doing it, and I can totally sympathize with people who can't get stuff in their country.

But I hate it when pirates act like they are entitled to the things they steal. Like, okay, everyone downloads and that's not going to stop any time soon, but don't act like you ~deserve~ to have media for free. I mean, I pirate, too, but can't we just accept that it's not a good thing but might at best be a minor bad thing? Whether it's available for you or not for whatever reason, it's still stealing and the scorn we receive isn't any less deserved.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't live in USA and I buy some stuff. Yet I won't buy anything without seeing it first because: 1) it's extremely expensive 2) since I only can buy very few stuff, I want to buy only things I LOVE and want to see/read more than once.

So yeah, I also pirate a lot of stuff and won't stop anytime soon.

[writerserenyty]

Personally, I think it's important to try and get things legally if at all possible. However, if it isn't possible (as it seems in your case), then I don't have any issues with that.

I don't know if I'll ever advocate for or recommend pirating, but I understand why people do it in your situation. I pirate some stuff, but it's stuff that I would have a lot of difficulty accessing in the US (mostly Japanese music shows and whatnot).

[electromouse]

Yeah, I can relate with you, OP. Being a non-US resident, it's really hard if not impossible to get that sort of stuff outside the US.

Mind if I ask where are you from, OP?

[(Anonymous)]

This is what I have to do. Because new or between-seasons tv-shows that air in America show up -or might not after all- in my country at best a year later. And it sucks. Because I'm so involved with the internet communities that it would be ridiculous to wait to get my hands on a new show that most have already seen 12 or more months ago. And fandoms move forward fast.

[iceyred]

I'm not sure why anyone would judge you in this situation. It's not like you have the OPTION of buying that stuff legally anyway. I'll save my semi-serious disregard and judgement for people who pirate when they could legally purchase stuff.

[starphotographs]

You know, when people complain about pirating, the thing that always gets me is that there are a lot of ways to acquire something without benefiting the creators/companies involved, even if money does change hands. Yard sales! Libraries! Thrift stores! Borrowing! Rental, if that's still even a common practice! And where the hell were all these people when everyone recorded favorite shows and movies on VHS tapes (and occasionally passed them around)?

Admittedly, I don't know the details about where money goes in all of those situations, and you can make the argument that someone bought them in the first place, but... The files exist because someone had them and put them there? I dunno, I can't wrap my head around the whole "lending to/sharing with a few people is okay, but sharing with a lot of them is wrong!" thing. Especially when the thing in question isn't a physical object and thus cannot be kept from other people who might want it, a la libraries/rental stores.

[(Anonymous)]

I might live in America but there's plenty of things that I want to watch which I simply can't get, or that were never actually released in this country, so I have to go through alternative routes (thank you, amazon.uk/.de, because without you lovely motherfuckers I'd never get to see half of the films I want to, and thank God for computer media that doesn't give two shits about regions...I fucking hate disc regions). So I can't say I know what exactly you're talking about, but I also think you've done your best to exhaust legal routes, and you can't really help it. So, y'know, keep on keepin' on, dude.

[(Anonymous)]

I generally don't care if people pirate, as long as they don't 1) act like they're doing everyone a service by "sticking it to The Man" or whatever, 2) act entitled about it, like "How dare they charge money for stuff!" or 3) see themselves as superior to anyone who obtained something legally (this is clearly not something that requires advanced hacker skills).

[(Anonymous)]

I will continue to judge, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, except not care. So, there.

[(Anonymous)]

the suits/ptb really need to change their business models. people will always pirate, but things need to change on the business end.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm confused. You can't buy any of the anime/manga/comics/whatever you love because you don't live in the US? That didn't stop me when there was barely any anime/manga IN THE US. I used to buy things from Japan through mail order, Japanese bookstores, at conventions, any way possible. Because if I was gonna be stuck watching fansubs or reading scanlations, I at least wanted to give SOME money to the original artist. Back then it was really hard (no paypal, no internet, no ebay). Now you can find almost anything online, and as long as it's not out of print, usually for close to retail or even cheaper used.

If you can read English, why can't you order English anime/manga/comics/whatever through Amazon? Or The Right Stuf International? They generally will ship anywhere in the world.

I'm not saying that pirating is morally wrong or anything, I'm just confused as to the fact that you seem to be able to speak English, but somehow can't BUY stuff in English when it's fairly easy to do so.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking A-Right. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

[chronophage]

Yo, I buy the original Japanese versions of a lotta shit I like that's only available scanlated cause I don't wanna be a leech. I've also considered buying for some European movies (and only didn't do so when the DVDs were unavailable). You don't necessarily have to own something that's produced for region if you want to support the creator(s).

[(Anonymous)]

I don't fault anyone for pirating because of this ridiculous region-locking crap. Companies love to scream globalism when it comes to getting rid of tariffs and moving money and facilities wherever they want at the drop of a hat, but when someone in Germany wants to watch The Daily Show, well, no, we can't have that!

Back when I was into anime, I loved me some Pirate Bay because the shows I wanted to see weren't available here. Not licensed, not available, the end. And no, I wasn't going to move to Japan to watch TV. My tastes have changed and now I'm lucky enough that my even my cash-strapped basic-cable self can get the shows I want legally for the price of sitting through commercials on hulu or comedy central or paying a reasonable price per episode or season on Amazon. When I got another laptop after my old one died, I didn't even install bittorrent. But it's all about access. If season 3 of Sherlock is shown in the UK with no legal option here in the US, bittorrent will be back on my computer.

You'll never get rid of piracy completely because some people will never pay for these things, even if they have the opportunity. Before the internet, they borrowed it from a friend or checked it out from the library. But I think most people would sit through commercials or pay a nominal fee per episode or for something like Netflix if they could. If these companies don't give people that option, then they don't have the right to complain, especially since they're not actually losing any damn money.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that a lot of content makers [at least, most of the ones I've seen comment on it] are generally cool with people pirating their stuff if it's because whatever isn't available where you live, right OP?