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I was being vague, you're right. I've given a couple of examples below to clarify what I mean by 'entitled.'

It's kind of wrong to judge wide swaths of people based on the actions/words of a few. If anon did that for any other group people on this forum would be screaming for blood. Why is it okay to make gross assumptions about how I feel about poor people? Will anon tell me how I feel about homosexual civil liberties, clean energy, and the military industrial complex next?

* homosexual

Are you from the US? Can you, in order to not sound incredibly condescending and right wing, use a word that actual queer people use? Because in the US, "homosexual" is 98% a word that naive or bigoted people use.

....?

I was under the impression that 'gay' was the insult of choice. I've heard 'that's so gay' and I've heard 'stop being gay' but have yet to hear homosexual used as an insult. It's a bit clinical, yeah, but I've never heard it used to belittle someone. And nobody I know has ever said anything to me about it.

Anybody else want to chime in here?

I remember something about a poll showing that when people were asked if they would vote in favor of "homosexual marriage" more people said no than if they were asked if they would vote in favor of "gay marriage". Homosexual is used a lot in contexts where the speaker wants to dehumanize the issue but I also think ayrt was being rudely nit-picky.

It occurs to me that if I had used the word 'gay' they would start yelling about that.

Kinda funny. I list three issues where I lean liberal and somebody accuses me of sounding right wing.

Hello, queer here and I find homosexual a DEEPLY LOADED WORD. It's a pattern of ignorance, and given the speaker's pretense of social liberalism, also deeply relevant.

Hello, queer here and I agree homosexual is a deeply loaded word outside of academic purposes and can be contextually quite offensive but it think it's quite apparent iceyred fell into the 'naive' category and genuinely didn't mean offense by it.

I posted this below, but I just got a response from a friend on facebook. He says that it is typically used by people who are speaking derisively. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be offensive or rude.

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iceyred - 2013-11-03 05:19 (UTC) - Expand

Gay is DEEPLY LOADED WORD. Everything is a DEEPLY LOADED WORD if you look hard enough.

Homosexual here and I fucking hate the word "queer". Surprise! No one person speaks for an entire demographic!

DA

And I agree with other anon. The word "homosexual" used in the way you did reads to me as either bigoted or just a huge generational gap. It's very...I want to say distancing, but I'm not sure if that fits. But you're right that "gay" can cause problems sometimes too, just in a different manner. "Same sex rights" or "same sex marriage" is a term that I've seen more people picking up.

I just looked through some friends' pages on facebook. They seem to use LGBT. But this is the first time I've ever heard that homosexual is offensive. I've messaged a couple of people I know asking their opinion on it.

I'm not sure I would call it offensive so much as telling? I can't recall ever seeing someone outright use it to offend someone but it is very jarring and usually indicative of some homophobia when someone refers to "the homosexuals" or someone as being homosexual in a casual conversation. The context you used it in didn't really read that way to me though?

You're so ignorant, even having spent time in liberal fandom.

This comment is bothering me so much but I can't parse why. The condescension? The irony? The pure bafflement? The idea that ~liberal fandom~ is some kind of divine educational tool? IDK.

Lol, that poster iceyred had no fucking idea what they were talking about.

So I just got a message from a friend on facebook. He says, and I quote, "Unless you're speaking academically, it's typically only used by those who are less than friendly to the LGBT community, used with derision."

Sorry, guys. From here on out I'll use LGBT.

On one hand I get what you mean but when representative members routinely say this stuff mostly unchallenged and you use one of their "code words" I don't exactly blame people for jumping to conclusions?

But also people use labels to convey context and history concisely so sometimes if you want to use a label unfortunately you need a disclaimer if it has been misappropriated by a vocal percentage of your group. Sorry?

I dunno, I think people should be blamed for making assumptions about me and putting words in my mouth. That really ticks me off. I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself.

I can at least agree people should give you the benefit of the doubt and ask for you to confirm their initial suspicion of your unfortunate wording. But I also don't understand how given the fact you were so vague you didn't expect people to come into the conversation with preconceived ideas of what a Republican believes.

I expect misconceptions about my political leanings. The GOP has been taken over by a bunch of right-wing nutjobs who call themselves the Tea Party when they should call themselves anarchists. I expect some misconceptions.

But assuming that just because I lean right means I want to throw everyone who isn't me under the bus is disgusting. If I had said:

"I'm a Democrat. Every now and then I think about leaving the party. Then some corporate bigwig says something entitled and I'm like...nope."

Would anon have spewed something about how I hate rich people and want to tax them out of existence and set up a Communist government?

well, not on here, because this places leans broadly left, but there's plenty of places where someone would have assumed something exactly like that

but it's not really an important point, all this proves is that people on both sides can act dumb, which is something we all know already

I know this place leans left. And the hypocrisy is irritating.

But we can agree that people on both sides can act stupid. I'll drink to that.

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iceyred - 2013-11-03 03:49 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-11-03 15:48 (UTC) - Expand

The word 'entitled' doesn't have the same connotations for a Democrat it does a Republican so that's either a leading question or kind of a poor analogy?

The fact that the Tea Partiers were able to rise to power in your party's ranks speaks volumes to outsiders, especially when it hasn't solely been Tea Partiers making y'all look bad. So when you say you are a Republican, make no effort to dispel all the associations most people seem to have for that label nowadays, and then use the language of the worst of that party I can't say anon's attitude was out of the blue.

I used language that defined what irritates me about the other side of the political spectrum. I am not responsible for how someone else defines 'entitled.' Nor am I to blame if someone else jumps to conclusions. Anon needs to grow up and realize things aren't black and white before they start making assumptions about a stranger's political beliefs.

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