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Anyone have any of these you want to confess to? My #1 example would have to be the fairly obvious one of Disney's Pocahontas.

101 Dalmations. Look at those fuckers dressing up in blackface. http://youtu.be/9tklYD4vJro

I'm a Labrador!

would Anastasia be considered problematic? I mean it is based off of a thing in history (although it's really an animated kids princess movie version of the 1950's movie Anastasia which was based on all the information they had at the time.

All I know is a freakin' love that movie since I was a little kid because it wasn't afraid to be dark and it is dark in a hauntingly gorgeous way. And unlike Pocahontas it mentions being based on a historical mystery (in the theatrical trailer) but never "based on true story". AT least I don't recall.

Sort of off topic, but that is one of the things I loved about it too (not afraid to be dark). BUT I remember seeing the trailer for Mulan (http://youtu.be/wAbGAkkOgcM), thinking it was going to be this dark movie (I was young), and being utterly disappointed. :C Fortunately I discovered anime (but still wish for some dark western cartoons).

I am STILL waiting for the movie shown in that trailer to come out :(

God, I love that trailer. I used to put in my Hercules VHS sometimes just to watch that, and then watch the actual Hercules movie as an after thought.

I would consider it problematic if only that cinema becomes fact for many people. So, people would except this story, even though it does have magic and bat side kick over looking up the real history.

What were they thinking with Pocahontas? That's what I want to know. They should have either gone with a Native American folk story or make an original story like they did with Brother Bear. Not use a real life story and completely put it on its ear so much that they couldn't even get the setting correctly. Ugh, the talking "grandma" tree...

Though, I must admit, I really do like those character designs. That's the only thing I like about that movie. It was very un-Keane. (Read: the characters didn't have eyes that took one third of their head.)

Pretty much all the Disney movies. There are so many problems with a lot of them but I still love them.

Song of the South

I'm sorry, my parents were old-fashioned racist southerners and my love for the movie just will not leave.

And Zip-a-dee-doo-dah really is an utterly lovely song.

I've only seen parts of this movie and I've always wanted to watch it, only because I think it's an important part of history and the music really is lovely. I LOVE Splash Mountain. I understand why Disney hasn't released it on DVD, but I really want it.

Dumbo.

The crows were meant to be black, yes, but they seemed merry and their laughing was of a "how high is this motherfucker" variety rather then cruel, felt bad about it later, and were actually super helpful to the protagonist in the end. Dumbo never would have flown without them.

My aunt would not let my little cousins watch it because it was racist. I was so sad. It was my favorite movie as a child. I loved elephants.

No really, I'm having trouble seeing this. Unless there's some old cultural reference I'm missing, they are clearly supposed to be black I'm not seeing the depiction as particularly offensive.

http://youtu.be/_v2exWrsGOc

Not trolling, if there's something I'm missing, explain it to me. "Be done seen" and grammar as such works for the time, yes? Cliff Edwards being one of the crows seems more problematic casting then something specifically about the character he played.

Edited 2013-11-16 23:32 (UTC)

Re: Was dumbo really that problematic?

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Well, that "Indian song" in Disney's Peter Pan was probably pretty problematic, but since I grew up as a very much not-racist person despite watching the movie over and over again, I refuse to hate it now.

Oh man. Pretty much any Clint Eastwood movie in the 60s. They are just so racist and sexist and just incredibly nasty on so many levels, but god damn if I did not grow up with the same kind of guys like Harry Callahan or The Man with No Name.

(And jfc I'm a girl. Like 70% of their crap is directed at me. I don't know why I still like them so much.)

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hahah whoops totally misread the subject line, but to be fair these were the movies I did watch growing up so.

D: Yeah that still doesn't count, I'm sorry.

Hunchback of Notre Dame :D

I recently rewatched it on Netflix and I love Pocahontas so much. It's just an awful representation of her story in every fucking way, but she and John Smith's romance makes me melt every time and "Savages" is one of my favorite Disney songs. I can't defend it, I just can't deny it, either.

My mom pretty much raised me on Disney movies, and while I can never let her hear me say this, I still have a soft spot for quite a few of them, most prominently Pocahontas and Mulan.

I tend to look at those movies as a 'step in the right direction' - yes, there were a lot of stereotypes involved, but these cultures that had historically been presented in Western media as nothing more than caricatures were being shown as something with complexity and history, and not something that needed to be civilized by white culture. Not perfect, not even close, but certainly a step forward in the way we want to go - and that's before the fact that these movies were also great for encouraging female agency.

I'm just gonna +1 all the Disney movies listed here (and Anastasia) and add Road to El Dorado. Strange white guys come to town? Yep, definitely gods!

Pocahontas and Peter Pan were favorites of mine when I was little. (I had a poster and everything!) I'm kinda scared to re-watch them now!

The Rankin-Bass Rudolph movie is near and dear to my heart, but man I wish Donner got called out on his sexism.

Remember Short Circuit? Yeah, the Indian guy is a white guy in brown-face. Sorry. Johnny 5 is still a cutie pie.

Fun activity for the whole family! Pop in a nostalgic movie and then have a drink for each racist/sexist stereotype you didn't realize the movie had!

Edited 2013-11-17 07:10 (UTC)

I don't remember the sexism in the Rudolph movie, but it's been a loooong time since I've seen it. Job my memory please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkSGcDO30G0

(If you can't watch the video, Rudolph is missing, Donner goes to look for him. Mrs. Donner wants to come and Donner tells her, "No, this is man's work.")

The line is kinda unintentionally funny, and Mrs. Donner does get to search (and be captured), but it's still blatant!

I don't actually remember if there was anything else, I probably should start watching my Christmas shows for this year and jog my memory, too!

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