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⌈ Secret Post #2511 ⌋

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[The Hobbit]

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[The Fly 1986]

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[Slightly Damned]

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[Game Of Thrones]

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[DC Comics]

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[NCIS]

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[Roosterteeth]

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[Mass Effect]
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[Easy A]

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Sir David Attenborough]

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[New Tricks]

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[Hannibal (NBC)]

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No of course, it is very canonical that Levi cares about his men, and is good with people in that he more than properly values and acknowledges the people with who he feels allegiance too. I just feel that Levi has a lot ambivalence regarding Eren, due to the fact that Eren is such a wildcard for the Corps. And although Eren is a member of his squad, he was less a 'member', and more a piece of intelligence that his squad had to protect and watch at all costs. I guess I just personally haven't seen any canon moments that have showed that Levi cares about Eren. But different canon interpretations are totally fine, and I don't think you're a crazypants shipper. And now that Eren is officially on Levi's squad, we'll actually get to see some more interactions between them.

Yeah, I just shake my head at those shippers. It's even worse when Levi/Erwin and Levi/Eren shippers use "canon evidence" to prove the validity of their ship over the others.

I also just have to add that Levi has never once acknowledged or been anything but dismissive regarding any of the good traits that Eren has and has shown in action, which I think shows how little Levi actually trusts him.

Hmm. I actually think you're judging him a bit harshly, here. Levi did show interest in Eren when he wanted to bring him into the Legion at first (and of course the famous "not bad" line).
When Eren transformed to pick up the spoon, he clearly trusted Eren enough to stand between him and the rest of his squad (with his back to Eren) and told /them/ to calm down. Later, when they're fighting the Female Type he allows Eren to make his own decision, and when it craps out, comforts him (at least, to me it seems comforting) by saying that he couldn't have known it would go wrong like that. It's true that the scene was very awkward, but I interpreted it as Levi attempting to be funny (and failing).
I think the ambiguity comes in because Eren doesn't have so much control and isn't particularly disciplined. Though he does a much better job about that in the manga than in the anime.

Of course the biggest problem is still that one line from the latest chapter, whether or not one of Levi's motivations was to /help/ Eren's mental state or hinder it (and I'm hopefully going to ask some Japanese friends this week and clear it up).

da
What makes you think that Eren doesn't have control or isn't particularly disciplined? The fact that he was ranked so high as a trainee when he has no particular talent, shows that he has some discipline. I think Eren is just impulsive, and this isn't impulsiveness per se, but just that the desire to act on what he thinks is right overcomes any self-restraint.

Also, Eren is under Levi's care. Levi will talk to him etc. But to me it's nothing special or intimate and doesn't really show that Levi has a particular interest in Eren (outside of the fact that Eren is invaluable to the Survey Corps as a weapon).

Okay, I'll grant you impulsiveness as a better descriptor than undisciplined, though I think they're two sides of the same coin. Strong discipline can overcome impulsiveness, and like you said, his desire to act overcomes self-restraint. The reason I see this as a partially negative quality is because for example, had he had more self control he /might/ have been able to manipulate the situation with B&R a bit better. As it was, he got pissed off and started yelling and then couldn't do much afterwards because they restrained him. This is a situation where more discipline and self-control might have served him well. The anime damaged his character a lot in the last episode, which annoys me, because they took a situation where Eren had been in control and made him into a raging berserker again.

Okay, that's up to interpretation at this point. I don't think Levi/Eren is canon, so I can't prove to you canonically Levi is greatly interested in Eren. I do think that there are seeds there to be developed, and that developing a relationship can lead to a very interesting dynamic and parallels between the two, and that's why I ship it, but clearly that's my own interpretation based on my own reading.
(I do think, however, there are plenty of fandoms where shippers ship based on less; people ship a dynamic, it doesn't have to do with them being in love in canon.)

ayrt

This is kind of a late response, sorry! I don't know if you'll even read this.
I was judging Levi a bit harshly, because you're right, he has exercised understanding and been a mentor figure for Eren. What I more meant by Levi being dismissive of Eren is that Levi is the type to praise or acknowledge soldiers, something which he noticeably hasn't done for Eren. When discussing Eren with others, such as with Mikasa, or in the latest chapter, he instead puts Eren down, and likes to point out his flaws. Nothing he's said shows a willingness to believe in Eren's skills, or acknowledge any good qualities that Eren has displayed. This is a stark contrast to Armin or Mikasa (and even on some level, other members of the 104th) who know Eren well and are much more willing to believe in him. This doesn't make Levi worse than the other Survey officers, but it also doesn't show that he cares for or acknowledges Levi any more than they do either.

But yes, by putting in his backing of Eren it does mean Levi is willing on some level to have faith in Eren, as well as the Survey Corps/Erwin for making the gamble to trust Eren. And in the situations like the forest, or when Eren grew the arm, it does show that Levi is willing to trust Eren. But I feel like Levi made the gamble to trust Eren, not because he cares about Eren the person and wanted to believe in him, but because putting his trust in Eren was really all he could do. Levi essentially has no way to control Eren; Eren can transform into a titan at any given time he wants- he's essentially a dangerous weapon far beyond the power of the Survey Corps. The only thing they could do is attempt to take him down and kill him, which would be a worst case scenario. Being fair and willing to put trust in him is really all Levi can do. It's also worth noting that Levi wasn't the one who made the choice to place Eren in the Survey Corps. And he was the one assigned to watching Eren, not likely because he wanted to, but because he's the one in the Corps who's the most capable of doing it.
I just don't see enough proof that shows Levi that has grown to care about Eren, the person. And I do agree that Levi is willing to give advice to, and watch out for Eren, in that Levi is a reasonable leader, and not a heartless guy, and will do that for the soldiers under his watch. But again, I just don't see any evidence that Levi really cares for Eren outside of that context. Or that he is willing to trust Eren like he does his other soldiers and comrades.

Essentially this is something we're just going to have to agree to disagree on! So far there's really no concrete proof to prove that either of us are right. And, again, this isn't me trying to put down the Levi/Eren ship. I myself ship all kinds of crazy, noncanon Shingeki couples with even less canon backing than Levi/Eren. And this also isn't me trying to villify Levi, I love his character- although I do tend to lean towards interpretations of him in which he's more flawed. I just personally feel that there's been nothing in canon that has shown that Levi cares specifically about Eren, or that they've yet formed any kind of bond.

Not sure if you'll see it, but-

You're being very fair, and I def see what you're saying. It's a valid interpretation. My only argument is that Levi was the one who first showed interest in Eren, and asked to take responsibility for him, when he was first imprisoned. So Eren's not a completely unwanted burden.

But I accept your other points, I just did see him as closer to Eren. Like you said, agree to disagree :)

Thanks for taking the time to comment! It's seriously one of the first civil conversations about the ship I've had with a non-shipper. It was interesting to hear your perspective, and I do agree with a lot of you points.

ayrt
I know you probably won't see this now, but I didn't know you replied to me!
It's also one of the most civil conversations I've had over a ship. Thank you for being so open minded and nice. You're also the first Levi/Eren shipper to make me see why people ship it (other than the fact that it's makes for some very nice fanart).

haha, I actually ended up checking the post again, so I did see your comment :)

I know the ship has a bad rep, and tbh I don't get along with most of the other shippers too... But at least now you'll have the memory of That One Shipper who's decent :P

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