[ SECRET POST #2512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2512 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

lol lbr no way it's going to even be remotely critical about the problematic elements of Islamic faith. People just prefer to put their fingers in their ears and pretend they don't exist while lashing out at other religions for the same exact problems.

[(Anonymous)]

Meant to respond to OP

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, isn't her brother supposed to be an extremist and her family really conservative? From the article I read, it sounds like her brother is potentially a dangerous guy.

But on the other hand, frankly? Islam gets so much criticism, I don't know where you're getting that "people pretend the problematic elements don't exist" because I don't know what world you're living in, people pretend the exact opposite - that Islam has no redeeming values. If this comic can star a normal Western Muslim girl, whose faith is important to her but doesn't define her, and is ultimately relatable to all Western girls... good for it. There aren't enough "normal" Muslims in the media.

[(Anonymous)]

Kamala will face struggles outside her own head, including conflicts close to home. “Her brother is extremely conservative,” Ms. Amanat said. “Her mom is paranoid that she’s going to touch a boy and get pregnant. Her father wants her to concentrate on her studies and become a doctor.” Next to those challenges, fighting supervillains may be a respite.

[iceyred]

You mean someone who is more than just a list of demographics and labels? Blasphemy.

[(Anonymous)]

Islam gets so much criticism, I don't know where you're getting that "people pretend the problematic elements don't exist" because I don't know what world you're living in, people pretend the exact opposite - that Islam has no redeeming values.

Living in the world of "those people who are bending over backwards trying not to be Islamophobic", I imagine.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not the anon you're replying to, but I think s/he meant that Islam doesn't really get criticized in liberal circles. If you look at the population as a whole then yes, it's a religion that is constantly under scrutiny, but in liberal circles it is generally Christianity, a religion that most Americans are much more familiar with, where every problematic element is exposed and dissected.

That being said, I'm really looking forward to the book. I think Western comics need more openly spiritual and/or religious characters that aren't caricatures, tbh. It would be great if people from different backgrounds would be able to relate to her, like you said.

[(Anonymous)]

in liberal circles it is generally Christianity, a religion that most Americans are much more familiar with, where every problematic element is exposed and dissected.
And did you ever think of why that is? By these so-called "liberal circles," I'm assuming you mean Western liberal circles. In the West, Christianity is the majority religion. It just is - among people that are religious at all, Christianity dominates in the West. Islam is a minority in the West. It's a fringe group, a minority interest. Obviously that's why "liberal circles" criticize Christianity in general and criticize Islam comparatively less - it's a majority vs. minority thing.

If you live in the West, espousing the values of Christianity isn't necessary. You've been told your whole life that good = Christian and that's that. Islam is what's strange and foreign. There's a reason behind the observation that you made.

[diet_poison]

There's a reason but is it a good one? Majority v. minority sounds like tit for tat unless you're specifically doing it to point out human rights issues that the majority is using their power to abuse (which certainly does happen). But you'd think really progressive circles be more concerned with any philosophy or sub-philosophy that has misogynistic/homophobic etc. attitudes

[(Anonymous)]

this

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that it's a hard balancing act between caring a lot about misogynist and homophobic attitudes in a religion, and caring a lot about religious prejudice against that religion. Especially when it really is a sub-philosophy of the religion that harbors those attitudes, and when, frankly, some people use criticism of those attitudes as a cover for prejudice (not you, or anyone in this thread, but it does happen).

Maybe progressive circles do err on the side of defending the religion. But it would be hard for it to be done perfectly, because it's a really hard line to walk, and people aren't perfect, and organizations and broad movements less so. And I think that's an important thing to do even though obviously it doesn't justify overlooking anti-Semitism and homophobia.

[diet_poison]

I personally find hostile misogyny and homophobia to be more pressing than prejudice against religion. The latter definitely bothers me too - I've experienced it - but at the same time, much of the time those prejudices are rooted in very bad experiences, it's hard to see that not all Christians/Muslims/etc. are sexist or homophobic or otherwise hateful when the loud ones are always shouting that they are and that the whole group believes this etc., and of course, religious beliefs are a choice, while gender, sexuality, race, and ethnicity are not.