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I think that if I had to kill someone in self-defense, I wouldn't be fazed. My therapist says that's normal, but I'm not sure. Do you guys think you'd be bothered by having to kill a stranger up close? Why or why not?

I'm pretty sure I'd be because I don't even like killing people in video games.

Ethically, no. Psychologically, yes.

This.

Me too; I think killing in self-defense is morally sound, but it would affect me strongly on a personal/psychological level.

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Yes. I would freak the fuck out. And honestly, I don't know if I could kill someone even if it was self defense. Obviously I won't know unless I'm in that situation, but my lack of wanting to commit violence or hurt people even when they're hurting me is a problem I have.

I don't think I could ever do that but who knows

Are we taking it as a given that I'd be physically able to do it?

Yeah, I don't know.

Probably not. I feel a bit distanced from people even normally.

Yes, but only because blood makes me sick. And when people say to jab attackers in the eyes with your fingers or keys I get so grossed out at the thought of squishy eye bits in my nails and all over my hands I don't think I'd be able to do it because of that.

TMI about eyes

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I might be bothered later, but in the moment myself > someone else

I'm a pacifist, so I would never kill another human being. Not even in self-defence.

I think I could do it. It's the clean-up, which would be a problem.

On one hand, I want to say fuck no, but to be honest I actually have been in circumstances where I've had to physically defend myself, and have been physically assaulted. And even though it was reasonable for me to retaliate, I was still freaking out about getting hurt and hurting someone else.

There's really only so much that constant exposure can do in normalizing something as harrowing as self defense, or for that matter harming another person. I'd like to say I did better than most, because I did have the presence of mind to protect myself and gtfo, but I wasn't a cold hearted badass like I would have preferred when presented with something trying to fuck me up.

So I mean-- there's only so much of your expectations that can be true unless you've actually been in that situation. And unless you're extremely psychologically damaged or desensitized to regular violence, chances are you're still going to react poorly to it.

If it was REALLY life threatening, I wouldn't at all be fazed at hurting someone (or kill them, if I absolutely had to). After I'd probably freak out, I'd imagine.

And yes the cleanup would suck.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be fazed at all. If they chose to threaten me into a situation in which I had to kill them out of self-defense, I'd immediately cease to feel bad then never feel bad about it. I'd consider it very unfortunate for them and their friends and family and I would sympathize with the situation in which they are in, since they're innocent in it, but for the person who forced me to kill them... not really. I'd bet money I wouldn't even guilt.

You're talking about a hypothetical. You have no idea how you'd feel in real life. Personally, I can't stand running over already dead roadkill, so yeah, it's safe to say I'd be very upset.

this question reminds me that i've been meaning to read this book - http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/on-killing-dave-grossman/1101952207

I don't think I would be bothered if I had to act or I was going to be killed

it would probably bother me more to kill an attacking animal in self-defense than a human being, because animals kill on instinct and not out of malice. but I still wouldn't hesitate.

I don't think I could shoot someone or use another method that had a pretty much 100% chance of killing them. If I were fighting to defend my own life and left someone unconscious and later found out they were dead, well, I would probably be pretty messed up about it.

I feel like I would be, but I wouldn't regret doing it. It would just be more of "oh shit oh shit" and then having to deal with the falling out later.

(also, super OT but thank you for using "fazed" instead of "phased". I see the latter when it should be the former all the time everywhere)

I like to think I'd do it, and then subsequently be traumatized by having done it.

If it's strictly self-defense? I would be more upset about being in a situation where I had to fight for my life rather than the fact I killed someone. As far as I'm concerned that fucker can burn in hell.

If I was acting in the defense of someone I cared about? Absolutely not. If you try to hurt the people I love I will goddamn kill you.

I'm sure that someone will say I'm talking tough, but I've lived in an abusive household where my physical safety was threatened and what I've 'gained' from that is a bloody-minded desire to protect myself and others no matter what.

It would really depend on the specific situation. In general, I think I'd be troubled by having killed someone to defend myself (what makes me more worthy to live than Nasty Stranger? How do I know I'm not the one who's in the wrong here? conflicted morality!), but perfectly all right if it was to defend a close friend or family member (Friend is an important and good person, Nasty Stranger was clearly very horrible, it's good that Nasty Stranger will not be able to harm innocent people ever again, but did Nasty Stranger really need to be KILLED?).

I'm always very much more hurt by nastiness directed towards those I love than when it's actually directed towards me. Once upon a time there was this bully who was being quite an ass to me. My solution was to avoid him like the plague he was. then I was talking to someone else about it and he told me that I shouldn't feel too bad, it isn't personal, it's not that I'm unlikable, Bully is just a jerk like that, he bullies Mutual Friend too, and Mutual Friend is exemplary likeable and good. And then it mattered and I flew into a positive RAGE because Mutual Friend didn't deserve to be treated like that. Well, neither did I, but it didn't matter until there was someone else for me to defend.

Personal take: was recently assaulted. reacted with full automatic fight response and hit back as much as I possibly could until he let off. later, when reporting it, the police told me - clearly reading from their "how to deal with victims of sexual assault" checklist - that I shouldn't feel bad for hurting him, and all I could respond was, "you kidding? I hope I hurt him, I wish I'd hit him HARDER."
Because honestly? Somebody tries to hurt you, they lose any right to expect your leniency or mercy - when they've started it, they've attacked you, you have every right to use every means in your power to get them to back the fuck off and to save your life. And if that means they die in the process, I put that on them for starting the situation, not on you for finishing it.

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