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FFS can someone tell me what The fuck this bullshit is?!?!

http://www.batteredmen.com/

Like 'Battered' 'men' are such a huge societal problem that they Need there own organization. It's a fucking Joke? right? Like a 'spoof' of women shelters or something?

I really wish i hadn't visited those Pages.

I mean, I can see the point that the problem is not nearly as prevalent as battered women and that the relief organizations aren't as necessary, but I'm confused why it would actually make you angry.

Just seems like a bullshit "Look men Get beaten too, We're just as important as feminism! Down With misandry!!" bullshit. You know the Type of thing I'm talking about, The typical "Won't some body think of the menz!" shit these guys Are always spouting.

Yeah but I feel like, out of everything that MRAs do, this is the least objectionable, because (a) at least their money is where their mouths are - they're not just ranting about feminism on the Internet, they're taking positive action to redress those wrongs and (b) at least those things that they're doing are relatively positive - you can argue over relative importance, and I agree with you, but at the end of the day they're still addressing a real (if relatively uncommon) problem in a real and constructive way.

I mean, it's true that a lot of the theoretical stances surrounding and driving the whole thing are flawed and disagreeable. And probably those things lead them to do a lot of things a lot worse than they otherwise could. But at the end of the day, they're taking positive action to try and fix a problem, and whatever else you want to say about them, that makes them far better than most MRAs.

Dude, that's enough. It's one thing to roll your eyes at people who spout bullshit that's just words and ideas -- that's a legitimate complaint. But it's a VERY different thing to roll your eyes at actual real life men who have been battered. Real life men are not interchangeable with concepts and political movements and fictional representations.

And are you implying that gay men who are battered by their male partners don't count or something?

You did. And told any battered guys who showed up to GTFO. So, they did for themselves.

Your just mad you don't have the only clubhouse anymore. That's what happens when you don't let everybody in... eventually there will be enough to say "lets build our own then!"

Wow. I legitimately hope you die.

Yes. I knew you cared! You hadn't said it for a while, but now I'm validated and know you read my every word! ♠

We should have a June wedding, I think.

You're a very sick person. You need help.

Here is one study that shows that http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/110127/dq110127a-eng.htm but because of the Duluth model when cops arrive to the scene of a domestic fight the men are almost always assumed to be the aggressor. BTW, the Duluth model is something feminists fight for.

lolno @ the idea that "feminists" fight for abuse victims to be denied help and treated as the aggressor if they are men.

Um...What's wrong with a battered men's shelter, exactly? Sure, they're not in as high demand as women's shelters because domestic abuse against men is not as prevalent a problem as domestic abuse against women, and anyone who tries to claim it is as big a problem is a complete idiot, but why does a legitimate problem that happens to some people somehow not count unless it's THE BIGGEST PROBLEM? What, are battered men supposed to just suck it up until their stats match battered women's stats because of the principle of the thing?

And I don't think battered women give a shit that battered men's shelters exist. In fact, they probably would feel sympathy for them because they, unlike you, know first-hand what domestic abuse is like.

Oh an one more thing: thanks for the implication that gay couples don't exist and gay men can't be abused by their partners.

Men are sometimes victims of domestic abuse. Yes, women are more often victims of domestic abuse, but that doesn't negate the fact that men are sometimes victims of domestic abuse.

Any victim of domestic abuse should have access to a support system.

Support systems for battered women may not be able to provide that support for men, because, say, women's shelters may not be able to provide shelter for men out of consideration for other people.

So... why not an organization for battered men?

This particular one may be full of shit, I didn't check, but there's nothing wrong with the concept.

Remember when the only battered men's shelter in Canada shut down because radical feminists screeching and protesting? Remember when the owner of that shelter (a victim of abuse) killed himself because he lost his house and means to help people because of the screeching of radical feminists? I do. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/earl-silverman-dead-suicide_n_3179850.html

That article says it was because of a lack of funding, not protests.

yes because the Canadian government refused to fund it. Why did the government refuse to fund it? Because of pressure from feminist groups.

You're going to need to cite that, too.

Utter bullshit. now fuck off.

I literally do not fucking understand this. I mean, even if these people subscribe to the idea that women can't abuse men, how about men domestically abusing men within gay relationships?

Oh shut the fuck up. My father was abused by his ex-girlfriend. He could not get any fucking help because had he called the police he would have been automatically arrested as the aggressor.

Your trolling aside, I've seen this argument made in earnest by people so I'll bite.

You know, what I find most amusing about those "feminists" who actually believe men can't be abused by women is the fact that what they are basically saying is

"Men can't be abused by women because women are too weak and fragile to actually hurt a man! No chance they would actually do real damage, unlike men, who do ~real~ damage because they're all big and strong!"

And... that kind of defeats the purpose of feminism. Women are weak, pathetic, not a threat. Is that what they want to tell me? No? Then start actually accepting that women can be just as much of a threat as men.

And quite honestly? The very fact that there is still an overwhelming majority of people who don't believe men can be victims of abuse is the whole reason that a refuge for men who were in a shitty situation like that is necessary.

Radfem troll is probably the one troll I wish would never come here. If though she's trolling, the idea that there's a chance she might be serious honestly makes me uncomfortable.

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