[ SECRET POST #2518 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2518 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think many people are disagreeing because 1) Way to be misogynist, OP it even makes me to disagree completely with you even though I agree with part of your point 2) They don't get that the playing part matters a lot in games.

If the plot was perfect itself, it would make a wonderful movie/series/book/comic after removing the playing part, yet it doesn't and so most adaptations of games are bad or seem to lack something.

[diet_poison]

"They don't get that the playing part matters a lot in games TO ME"

ftfy

[(Anonymous)]

OC

LOL, no.

People have different reasons to play games, that's why there are different type of games. What matter to me probably don't matter to many and that's ok.

But the thing is, many plot points in games are closely related to the gameplay. If you take them out of the game they don't make much sense or are even stupid and it takes a lot of suspension of disbelief to enjoy it because of that.

As a result, most "games" (aka the plot of them) without the game part tend to be rather bad not matter how good the plot seems to be (if you ignore certain details).

[diet_poison]

*raises eyebrow* what games are you talking about, where not holding the controller makes it impossible to understand the story?

and really, I think If you take them out of the game they don't make much sense or are even stupid and it takes a lot of suspension of disbelief to enjoy it because of that is a very subjective assessment.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that it's impossible to understand the story, but you're not understanding it in the same way. The emotional impact is lessened significantly. Silent Hill is about 20x scarier to play than it is to watch. The sense of camaraderie when you take down a tank in Left 4 Dead when 3 of you are down and the last person is on 5 health is something you'll never understand if you haven't done it yourself. Then there's any of the torture scenes from MGS, or the microwave corridor in 4. You won't feel the same stress or guilt or physical pain and exhaustion. Which is, you know, the ENTIRE point of those scenes.

Or things like The Walking Dead game, which is basically "Making Difficult Moral Choices: The Game", if you're not doing it yourself then what's the fucking point? Basically any game with significant choices sucks a lot more if you're not making the choices.

I don't even understand how so many people are trying so desperately to downplay the interactivity of a medium entirely based around interactivity.

"Hurr people can enjoy games however they want". Of course they can, but don't try to argue that they're not missing out on anything.

[diet_poison]

Nobody said they're not missing anything. I far prefer to play games myself over watching LPs for that reason. The point is that the fact that they're missing something doesn't mean they aren't still experiencing the medium the way they want to. LPs appeal to them and they enjoy them and still get a big part of the experience and I don't understand why it's so personally offensive to some game fans that they aren't doing it the way they want them to.

[(Anonymous)]

You keep missing the point.

No one is saying it isn't possible to understand the story, but that playing something changes the experience and that game logic doesn't work well in other media.

[diet_poison]

This is all true but my point is that people are still perfectly within their rights to enjoy the game that way and call themselves a fan of the game.

[(Anonymous)]

"This is all true but my point is that people are still perfectly within their rights to enjoy the game that way"
And in that I agree with you, but not with the rest. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.