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⌈ Secret Post #2530 ⌋

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[fscom]

15. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]
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[kaijinscendre]

I am hoping the 50th will be a set up for the final seasons of Doctor Who.


SPOILERS I GUESS
I hope that the 12th Doctor's goal is to find Gallifrey. I hope he will end up having to sacrifice his life to free it from the whatever they put it in.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention the fix didn't make a lot of sense. It's possible I'm confused, but I thought the original idea was that the Time War trashed all of time and space, so the only way to keep everything from being destroyed was to make it so the combatants never existed? (Not that they stuck with that idea very long anyway.) Besides, I hardly think it would require "the most powerful weapon ever" to destroy one planet and a really big fleet.

[fauxkaren]

Ugh. No ty.

It was bad enough as it was. Retconning EVERYTHING would have driven me nuts.

I just wish that they'd all pressed the button together and the Doctor realized that he didn't really have to do it alone, but ugh. It felt so cheap to wiggle out of that.

Hard choices? PSH.

NO.

LET'S PUSH THE MAGICAL RESET BUTTON!

[(Anonymous)]

idk, if it had been just that it would have felt like just a rehash of Ten and Donna pushing the button together in the Pompeii episode, which was beautiful and powerful. The reboot Doctor Who has so many 'hard choices' as it is...I love it, but I came for fun adventures in time and space, dammit! I'm okay with an ending that leaves the Doctor happy for once ;_;

[fauxkaren]

But for me, as an audience member, that ending totally cheapens Nine and Ten's entire tenure on the show.

[(Anonymous)]

How? They don't remember it. For all they know they DID destroy their home planet.

[fauxkaren]

Yes, but I know they didn't.

So now when they're angsting about Gallifrey, it's just going to be like "LOLOLOLOL OK, BUDDY."

There was no magically time amnesia to make ME forget about the ending of that special. (If only there was...)

It just feels hollow to me now.

Like the entire story about those two regenerations was about them coming to terms with making a terrible and difficult choice, but in the end, Ten accepts that it was the right things to do. Which is why in the "End of Time" (which, hilariously enough, comes chronologically for Ten, RIGHT AFTER "Day of the Doctor"), when the Time Lords are coming back, Ten is like "OH HELL NO." and sends them back into hell from whence they came.

And then the 50th anniversary is just coming along like "wheee! Retconning the previously established situation of the Time War! It's not longer about two incredibly powerful empires destroying the universe! It's poor innocent Gallifrey with its billions of children being invaded! The Doctor no longer has to make a hard choice and live with the consequences! There's a magical loophole!"

So all that character development seems so pointless now.

And as a viewer, that is incredibly disappointing and frustrating.

[lady_songsmith]

Amen. OTOH, this secret made me think that yeah, retconning it totally might have been more satisfying -- because then Nine and Ten and Eleven are in an AU where they DID destroy Gallifrey, and Capaldi!Doctor is Nine in the universe where they didn't, so it's a clean break that doesn't negate the development for 9/10/11. Hmm. Might have to think on this more.

[ozaline]

Even End of Time makes it clear that that not all Timelords are evil, there were the two members of the council that opposed Rassilon's plans, the Doctor isn't concerned with the High Council or the War council but Children who have never had the chance to have blood on their hands.

Even the General guy mentions the council's plans... So I don't see any contradiction, the time loop works quite nicely in the show and was the first time since the reboot started that I felt anything involving the Time War made a lick of sense. (Plus the Moment was hinted at in End of Time so I think they've been planning this for a while).

Until now the fact that everyone Remembers the Time Lords, but thinks it's impossible they're meeting a time traveler because they are extinct was so beyond asinine that I had to keep hitting myself over the head; it still is but having a logical stable time loop makes me feel a lot better.

And I can sympathize with Nine and Ten's angst because there's a thing called Dramatic Irony, where a characters tragedy is centered around them missing information that the audience has (Romeo and Juliet is all about Dramatic Irony, and stupid teenagers but that's beside the point).

I'm glad that the series didn't end here because it wouldn't be satisfying to leave Galifray lost in time and space.

And I hope we see Romana when Galifray is found again.

[dreemyweird]

I'm not watching the currently airing episodes, and nor do I actually like the show, but I want it to end, too. Because never-ending TV series bother me beyond description. It feels as though somebody is trying to tell you a story, except they have not the foggiest as to how it is going to end, what the moral is, and why they are telling you this story at all. Creepy.

[tcex28]

Doctor Who is not a long story somebody is trying to tell you.

Doctor Who is the storyteller. One who possesses a countless many stories.

[dreemyweird]

I guess I'm bothered because this is a niche that is traditionally occupied by old folks who are about to give their wisdom/knowledge/stories to the next generation and die.

And besides, I can never ignore the actual authors behind the creation. The Doctor may well be the narrator, but he has no will of his own.

[tcex28]

It's not that the Doctor is the narrator (even he changes), it's that the device of him and his TARDIS is an engine for bringing countless stories into existence. A man who embodies a spirit of curiosity and adventure, in a machine that lets him go anywhere, do anything, meet anyone. How could it ever really end?
There will always be new stories to tell, new people to write them, and new people for them to entertain. Be it 1963, 2013, or 2063.

Which helps explain not only why the show made it to it's 50th anniversary, but why there's such a huge amount of Doctor Who media OUTSIDE the show, eg a shedload of novels and well over 400 hours of audioplays, most of it doing the same thing the show does (as opposed to being a side story or spinoff). Even when the show was cancelled for 16 years, Doctor Who itself carried on. The very idea is immortal. Doctor Who will not die for real until the last spark of human imagination fades.

[dreemyweird]

It makes sense! Just not my cup of Darjeeling, then. I don't like immortality.

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think you're missing the point of the show. Doctor Who is... special.

Most shows how they're set up do need to end, but DW is eternal.

[(Anonymous)]

'Wipe the past 7 seasons of the show from ever having happened' is so many universes away from a "satisfying ending", it couldn't approach one even if it burnt up a sun. 'Erase everything' isn't even a satisfying resolution to a bog-standard plotline, let alone what an appalling treatment of the material it would be in the fucking 50th Anniversary Special.

What the episode did for real - actually tying up 400 years of guilt, and sending the Doctor off into the next 50 years of the show with renewed hope - is infinitely better.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I fragging agree with this!

Who the fuck thinks "It was all a dream!" is a good solution for anything outside "The Wizard of Oz"? It's actually the stupidest thing ever! It laughs in the face of all the attachment fans get to the events it is negating!

Suffice to say, I often hate retcons. Maybe that's why I stay away from comics and dislike fics that start out with notes like "So I'm changing this, this and that around for no reason other than I can't write this with the canon versions!".

Or maybe I thought it was actually a good story that all that time the Doctor was grieving and angsting over detroying Gallifrey, he was also theorising how he could have saved it. It means all that angst does have a point - it made him work out a solution that he only got to use when he found a way back into the Time War.

spoilers for Doctor Who - Secret 15 - Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special

[transcriptanon]

spoilers for Doctor Who

[Picture is three of the Doctors? From the TV series "Doctor Who" putting a hand over a pyramid thing.]

I wish they'd retconned the entire modern series out with this scene.

Not because I dislike the series - I've loved it since Rose. I just think it would have made for a much more satisfying ending.

Would have been a tidy fix for the "12 regenerations" issue, too.

Re: spoilers for Doctor Who - Secret 15 - Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special

[kamino_neko]

Picture is three of the Doctors?

Specifically, the War Doctor (played by John Hurt), the Tenth Doctor (played by David Tennant) and the Eleventh Doctor (played by Matt Smith), standing around the Moment about to press the Big Red Button to destroy Gallifrey in the latest special, The Day of the Doctor.

Re: spoilers for Doctor Who - Secret 15 - Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special

[transcriptanon]

Ah, thank you, will add this to page 2.

[(Anonymous)]

Can that happen in the Who universe? I haven't watched everything, but I thought they ran with the "history (or most of it) can't be changed" theory of time-travel.

[(Anonymous)]

Good point... it always seems to be more, "and this IS what actually happened, except we didn't know it." For instance, Vesuvius was always going to erupt, but what the Doctor couldn't have known was that he'd be the reason. (At least I think that's how it went down. It's been a while since I've seen that episode.)

[(Anonymous)]

Late and I'm a new watcher, but during Eleven's run they've made such a thing of fixed points that I actually came to think DW time is flexible as a matter of physics, it's just that the Doctor has a thing about not screwing up the development of a species (usually humans in the show, but I'm sure it'd apply to others) and there are certain limitations/things that if you change you'll cause an impossible paradox and that'll break things.