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I just don't think that Martin Freeman (a person not actually recognizable by most people except as "Oh that dude who played that hobbit), is even a well known figure. And I don't really think a (shitty) joke is going to be the turning point for anyone on whether date rape is bad or not. Either they believe it is already, or they don't (or some murky in between).

DA

You're thinking about this in too linear of a manner. You're thinking rape joke --> makes person think rape is okay. That's not what we're talking about. Rape jokes in general (not just this specific one) have a large impact on society's views of sexual assault.

Me (and other anon) are not saying that Freeman's joke will be the one thing that causes how someone views rape. However, Freeman's joke does contribute to certain viewpoints.

If you honestly think rape jokes have no impact on how society views sexual assault, then I have nothing else to say because there's no point in arguing with you.

then I have nothing else to say because there's no point in arguing with you.

because he's a sexist moron, right?

SA

...I never said that.

I'm pretty sure she's a girl, but, from what I've seen, she does have a tendency to look at things too myopically.

Not enough of an impact to get so upset about it, I post an essay on Tumblr about it OR to accuse Freeman of being a rapist. Especially not that joke because it was terrible.

What I'm always confused about: Yes, rape is bad, and rape jokes are in poor tase. BUT. I still think it's worse to kill another person, yet there are so many black humour jokes about where some person ends up dying, by accident or murder. Why aren't people up in arms about those jokes, too? There are tons of black comedies out there - does that mean society is pretty much accepting and amused by people dying? Is everyone who tends to have black humour, who finds black comedies funny and tells jokes about people getting maimed or killed totally cool with people getting killed? I don't think so. Nor would everyone who tells a rape joke be cool with people getting raped.

Because people and society in general take murder seriously and murder charges seriously, but not rape or rape charges. It's about the larger context as a whole.

I agree. I don't think it's cool to joke about killing people at all. Society may "take murder seriously" (depends on the case) but it's not like rape isn't a crime that almost everybody believes is horrible. Both rape and murder are bad, neither should be joked about. Or at least, shouldn't generally be joked about - I'm not the humor police. But still seems hypocritical to say, "Don't joke about rape! Go die!" Ugh.

It's probably not going to make anyone go out and rape someone, no, but IME, I find that people who joke about rape do tend to take it less seriously. It's desensitization, basically, and I find that a problem. My partner, who is genderqueer but regularly misgendered as male (and my partner, at this point, hasn't the spoons to argue, so just deals with it) is in a male dominated field and calls out the rape jokes. They have noticed an appreciable difference in how seriously the men who have been called out (and who respond thoughtfully, vs. being a douche about it) take rape afterwards. It's anecdata, yes, but I'm not sure there's much in the way of studies on this anyway.

(I should note that I am talking about rape in a generalized stance. These guys would probably be furious and horrified if somebody dear to them was raped, but they would blow off news articles, shrug their shoulders, not give a shit about horrific crap like Steubenville and other similar examples, which are way too fucking common. But after being given a talking to about their rape jokes, they started to take things more seriously and recognize that, hey, there's a really big problem here.)

I don't think Martin Freeman is now an "OMG horrible person FOREVER" but I think that his joke does contribute to people taking rape in a general sense less seriously, and I am disappointed in him very much for that.

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