[ SECRET POST #2545 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2545 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think that blog should be renamed "your fave is human and as such sometimes says stupid shit (which most of us have regrettably done before in our lifetimes) but they should NEVER be forgiven because they're famous."

Also I don't really see what wrong with some of those things things he's said? Unless these are the same kind of SJWs who think that people should be burnt at the state for using words like "crazy" and "mad" and thinks that everything should be judged from a US perspective.

[rivia]

"they're human and they fuck up too" isn't really a good excuse. namely because everyone fucks up. even people who make a real effort to not be a douche, it just happens. the important part is what happens next and how the person who gets called out on their shit reacts. take for example, mr. freeman's little bit about "ohhh now somebody's gonna be mad about me because i joked about ~rape~" thing he did recently in an interview. he's joked about it before and gotten flack for it before, he clearly knows that it's fucked up to joke about it, he just doesn't care and mocks people who do care. the fact that they're celebrities is important because a) the massive amount of people who swarm to their defenses (the martin freeman tumblr tag) and b) how this seems to encourage others that it's funny and edgy or w/e and do it too (daniel tosh's gang rape 'joke').

and well, if YOU don't see it and you're not part of any of the groups that he marginalizes... it doesn't really matter. just because you don't think it's offensive to you doesn't mean it's not really hurtful to someone else. there are things and words that i initially didn't think was offensive, it took a while for me to realize that chances are if i didn't experience that discrimination on a constant basis, it probably wouldn't even ping on my radar either.

also: this post is a good sum up of what the blog is actually about and what it's function is.

[(Anonymous)]

No. Just fucking no. What the blog's intention is and what it's effect is are not the same thing. Just because they claim to have good intentions doesn't mean that what they do or the way they do it is remotely okay.

Also, why are you constantly pimping the blog and trying to defend it? Because y'know -- what you just said about how it's bad if a celebrity makes a mistake and then repeats it and doesn't apologize -- that's exactly what that blog did with the utterly unforgivable John Green "story."

[(Anonymous)]

Which John Green story? I've seen a lot of wank about that dude and I'm not immediately sure what you're referring to

[(Anonymous)]

It's mentioned upthread by john egbert -- they claimed he assaulted a teenage girl without giving any evidence to back their claim up, then took the story down without acknowledging their mistake or apologizing.

[(Anonymous)]

whoops, I totally skipped over that part. my bad

[rivia]

Please clarify on the negative effect the blog has?

I'm not trying to defend it either, nor have I been "constantly pimping" it, I think this might be the first time I have linked it, though I might have months ago with something about Amanda Palmer, so kudos if you're remembering that or w/e I guess. I'm only just reading up on the John Green assault stuff (which i think is what you mean by the "story"?) now, though I can't find a lot about it aside from them rewording then removing it from JG's page and him denying it. I'm not disagreeing that they should have apologized, I just don't know if that invalidates all the other accurate (by being simply links to interviews and whatnot) info they've collected.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT) I will agree that if a person makes a rape joke, and then shrugs it off when they get flack for it, then yes that's a pretty douchy thing to do. However, some of their defensiveness can also sometimes be understandable. If a person is famous and makes a stupid and offensive joke about rape, and then they get scores of people telling them that they're the lowest of the low and deserve to die horribly for doing so, of course it's more likely to provoke a more defensive reaction (from the both the person themself and their fans alike).

I'm a homo-romantic asexual woman, with a mental illness, and from a poorer background, so I would be the "target" for quite a few of those remarks, and I still don't really see what the issue is with a lot of them. I do see the obvious problem in some of the remarks, but to criticise him for using words like "tart," "mad" and "nuts" to choose a few (at least I'm guessing this is what the critique is for since I really can't imagine anything else wrong with those sentences), I think it a bit OTT and just trying to look for drama.

[rivia]

I agree with you on that, I see a lot of people just outright attacking others rather than attempting to educate them on why what they said was fucked up and hurtful, though at the same time it shouldn't be the slighted party's responsibility to educate the other person. There's also the fact that generally speaking, it's not a lot of people who do call someone out on their shit. I mean that in the sense that for every person who tweets "that was a really hurtful thing to say" or something like that to a celeb who made a gross joke, there's going to be twenty reassuring the person that those PC SJW assholes are just being bullies and that they should just keep doin' what they're doin', fuck the haters, etc.

And now that I look at that, those examples do seem a bit trivial I suppose, compared to the others, but I've never been called crazy or mad or nuts and get dismissed (yay me, apparently I keep my mental illnesses under wraps better than I thought) and it doesn't bother me but that's because I haven't experienced being hurt by those words.

I feel like some of that doesn't make sense, I hope it does, I've stared at it for too long already trying to figure out how to phrase what I wanted to say.

[(Anonymous)]

though at the same time it shouldn't be the slighted party's responsibility to educate the other person.

Being angry and refusing to say why - expecting the other party to magically see your perspective - is a two-year old's response to conflict. No one's going to just suddenly know what's sent you into a rageful tizzy, especially since none of us (to my knowledge) possess ESP.

If you act like an unreasonable toddler, don't be surprised when the other party treats your concerns like a toddler's tantrum, because in their frame of reference it's the most likely explanation for why you're red in the face and screaming imprecations.

And no matter how valid your point might be, how you present it matters. If you make things up or routinely blow things out of perspective (like your tumblr site seems to), then like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, no one will believe you if/when you're right. If you stomp around saying, "I shouldn't have to tell you!" or start slinging curses and death threats, you're likely to be ignored because, frankly, everyone's got their own things to be getting about. No one really wants to waste time coaxing functional adult strangers into saying what's wrong, where it hurts, etc.

People may not do/think what you want when you speak to them rationally and without trying to shame them (because, again, 'who the hell are you and why would your perspective or attempted shaming matter to me' is their perspective) but at least they'll listen.

And if you post fake rape accusations, you should be prepared for a libel suit. John Green sounds like an incredibly patient person to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! I often think about that; we've all got a friend (or maybe we are that friend) who makes an off colour joke and everyone in the group goes "oh dude, not cool" or "that was too far" etc. They get called on their shit (which hopefully makes them re-examine their conduct) and thats that. We don't suddenly all jump up and scream at them that they should die horribly and are the biggest piece of scum to walk the earth.
I'm not defending the problematic shit that some of these ppl have said, but I think that we are so unforgiving of famous people when we will usually accept the same from someone we know.

[(Anonymous)]

That tumblr is basically a platform for the mods to masturbate on how morally superior they are, over the rest of the racist, misogynistic, homophobic, or whatever other shocking epithet they can throw at the rest of the inferior fandom.

The faves are just an excuse.