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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-04 03:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #2559 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
haha me too

/also non-american
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[personal profile] blitzwing 2014-01-04 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, that's pretty funny actually.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
He might as well be anyhow, for all most Americans know a damn thing about him. Your reaction is not at all unfair, lol.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, this. He was a famous traitor! No later than 1815! ...yeah, whatever.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I beg to differ. The term "Benedict Arnold" is a common nickname for a traitor in the US. Many Americans may not know the minute details of his life but they understand that he was a traitor during the American Revolution.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I've actually spoken to quite a few who didn't realize he was an actual person.

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Secret 2 - Benedict Arnold (historical figure), The Fairly OddParents (cartoon)

[personal profile] transcriptanon 2014-01-04 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
[Picture is Benedict Arnold as he was portrayed in the cartoon "The Fairly OddParents". He is a man with light skin, short black hair with sideburns, blue eyes, an old-fashioned American Revolution era military suit and a devilish grin.]

I honestly thought that Benedict Arnold was some sort of cartoon villain. I'm not American and most stuff is just translated without a lot of context but still.

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[personal profile] transcriptanon 2014-01-04 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Benedict Arnold was a general during the American Revolutionary War who originally fought for the American Continental Army but defected to the British Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_arnold

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, I'm British and had never heard of him - when my Americans hadn't heard of Quisling, they offered this chap and I read his bio and it seems he dabbled with treason and returned to the British army?

Seems fair enough.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-01-04 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I was gonna ask if maybe the British knew him, just cause the American Revolution I'd figure is somewhat relevant to shared history, but I guess that answers that.

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(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
That...depends very much on who you ask. From the American perspective him "returning to the British Army" *was* the act of treason, seeing as before that he was fighting on the American side since the start of the war.

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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-01-04 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Ehhh, he's probably not going to come up too often in a lot of non-american history books, I'd imagine. The guy who didn't really succeeded at being a traitor is a story with a limited geographical audience.
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[personal profile] caerbannog 2014-01-04 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought about it and *shrug* no idea who he is, sure does look like a villain though.
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[personal profile] caecilia 2014-01-04 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, but I find this adorable.

And eh, if it's not something you would've learned in grade school I think it's okay that you didn't know.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, real. He was also a bit of hero to the Revolution, too. Which is why there is a statue dedicated to his leg. He fought a battle early in the Revolution and turned the tide in favor of the Patriot, despite being wounded in the leg. But because he became a turncoat, they only honored his leg.

My father said he did some research on my mom's side of the family, who was in the US from just before the Revolution. One side was Patriot and one side Loyalist. And the Patriot side was related to the hangman of the British major, John Andre, who made the deal with Arnold to turn against the Colonies.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-04 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I only knew about Benedict Arnold via "The Brady Bunch"...

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, me too. I mean, I learned more about him later on when I got to American History in high school, but my first introduction to him was from a Brady Bunch rerun on Nick-at-Nite

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
I've done this with non-US cartoons and media! There's a lot to say for cultural context.

[personal profile] lizwis 2014-01-05 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm Australian, and the first I heard of him was at about 8 years old reading Baby-Sitters Club 'Claudia and the New Girl', and they call her Benedict Arnold for being a 'traitor'.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I'm British and I used to think he was a fictional character until my teens too. I'd heard the phrase "Benedict Arnold" used as a term for a traitor, but I just assumed that it came from a TV programme or film where a character with that name had betrayed the protagonist or something, and become well known for that.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, it happens. A lot of the time the lack of context [particularly with cartoons] makes it pretty hard to get cultural references right, if you get them at all.

Benedict Arnold is a bit hard to define too since there are a few different perspectives on him - some far more sympathetic than others.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I killed that guy in Assassin's Creed 3.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-05 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
And they say you don't learn anything, playing video games, haha...

(Anonymous) 2014-01-06 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
and oddly enough, this is a date related to Arnold in history.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/benedict-arnold-captures-and-destroys-richmond