[ SECRET POST #2559 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2559 ⌋

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Comments

[tabaqui]

Except for how she never did.

[elaminator]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Not according to the people behind the show.

[tabaqui]

So, pinpoint for me how *she* fucked it all up?

[(Anonymous)]

Well for starters, Andrea would likely still be alive.

[tabaqui]

And we care, why? She didn't get Andrea killed - Andrea should have had half a fucking brain and GOTTEN OUT OF THERE when Michonne asked her to leave, instead of trying to be all superwoman, i-can-make-it-all-better bullshite that actually did not help *at all*.

[nan]

I disagree with anon that Andrea's death was Michonne's fault but at the same time, I can totally understand why Andrea wanted to stay in Woodbury. The Governor seemed like a pretty swell, charming dude to begin with - we knew he wasn't because we had an outsider's perspective but. I can understand why Andrea wanted to stay there even though Michonne was telling her they should leave (and to be honest, Michonne didn't really do herself any favors being so uncommunicative about it).

I think Andrea's problem was that she tried too hard for too long to make things better and by the time she realized she couldn't, it was too damn late. But I hate the way she went out. It was pretty clear the showrunners were like "WELP WHAT DO WE DO WITH HER NOW???" and couldn't come up with any ideas. :\

[tabaqui]

Yeah, she totally didn't deserve to go out the way she did, but she irritated me from season two onward, so i was just exasperated with her completely by the time we get to Woodbury.

I guess, in a zombie apocalypse, my first impulse would be to stay *away* from places like that, because tin-pot dictators like the Governor are way more likely than not. She should have left the night she saw the 'zombie fight' crap going on in the arena. I sure as hell would have.

[elaminator]

Yea, I'm with you; Andrea wasn't my favorite and she def made some stupid decisions, but I can understand a lot of them from her perspective. (Like you said, staying in Woodbury. Me, I'm paranoid. My first thought would be, "Is this person going to turn batshit? How are they maintaining this?" but still, she was in the zombie apocalypse and came across this nice town with running water, and lots of food, and plenty of survivors, and even if that is sort of suspicious at that point wouldn't you want to believe that things weren't too good to be true? Maybe it wouldn't be smart to take everything at face value or not listen to Michonne, but I sort of get it. (Again, like you said, Michonne wasn't willing to discuss it with her at length and gave her an ultimatum pretty quickly.)

(Though admittedly by the time Andrea found out Gov kept his dead daughter and had a zombie aquarium she should've shanked him. Not a great decision.)

But Andrea could've turned things around I think, if only the showrunners would have let her. IMO she was just too unpopular by that point and they didn't want to bother with her storyline anymore.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, they really screwed her up, because i liked her in the first season, mostly, but then she just...meh.

I'm way too paranoid to want to be around large, armed groups that *take away your weapons*, so...i just could not have ever joined Woodbury.

[elaminator]

Well, in a world like that not many people would trust some stranger with weapons around their group (And possibly families), but it goes both ways; giving up your weapons to a stranger would be pretty dumb. You have to trust someone else with your life, and that is NOT the way to survive in that world.

[tabaqui]

Exactly. Not only are you trusting people you just met (hell no!) but you now have *no weapon* if a zombie pack *does* break through.

Totally not on.

[elaminator]

Yea, I have trust issues in THIS universe, if I were in that one I would certainly expect the worst of everyone. Plus, even people who were previously okay tend to come unhinged in desperate conditions like that, so trusting easily isn't good for your health.

And like you say, even if the people you meet aren't batshit, if they're attacked and overrun and you don't have anything to protect yourself with you're screwed.

[(Anonymous)]

She should have listened to Carol and cut his throat in bed. She could have been a serious hero if she had.

[elaminator]

MTE, I really wish she had went through with it. It would've been better for everyone... Except of course Gov himself, but fuck Gov. A lot of folks could've been saved that way. (Well, at least from Gov. Knowing the Walking Dead universe they still would've found ways to die.)

[(Anonymous)]

You seem strangely, and aggressively, invested in this...

[tabaqui]

*rolls eyes*

[darkmanifest]

I understand why Andrea felt like staying may have been a good idea at first - I mean, Woodbury was seductive in every way, including the Governor's bullshit, and she was tired of living like a refugee - but much later, when she had plenty of evidence that the man was crazy and dangerous and was standing over his sleeping body with a knife and didn't go through with it? That's completely on her. Andrea is dead because of Andrea, not Michonne. Hell, a lot of people are dead because of Andrea. And I loved the shit out of that woman, and I think she went out redeemed (even though I feel like she shouldn't have gone out at all), but she screwed up really badly at that point.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously this. I adore Andrea and Michonne. But they're responsible for their own actions. I also find their splitting heartbreaking, so I was really happy to see that they were united before Andrea died. She was even the last person to say goodbye to her, which makes the Michonne/Andrea shipper in me very happy.

[darkmanifest]

That was the only redeeming part of the whole storyline, for me, Andrea and Michonne's obvious love (whether platonic or otherwise, it was there) for each other. The "romance" with the Governor should never have happened in place of fleshing out Andrea/Michonne. But god forbid we look away from the dick for too long.

[tabaqui]

HA. No kidding. I was totally behind Andrea/Michonne - should have happened that way and yes, at least Michonne was there for her when she died. That was one good thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I didn't really care for the "romance" Andrea had with the Governor either. It did add tension I guess, but I could do without it. I kind of just took whatever hints I could to make the Michonne/Andrea shipper in me satisfied. Like when Merle teased Michonne about her sleeping with Andrea during those cold winter nights. Granted, Merle is a bigoted asshole, but I liked that Michonne didn't deny anything during that scene either. Also when Michonne was trying to beg Andrea that they leave the town, and Andrea asked her, "What do expect us to do there? Grow old together by the sea?" or something like that. But just the implications of them growing old side by side was nice.

I know it's not much, but I work with what I can from that show.

[tabaqui]

Pretty much this. She *chose* to do nothing rather than act, and however crappy and undeserved her death was, *she* could have prevented it.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so then the people behind the show could have made it so she didn't fuck things up then? This argument is so stupid, especially since she didn't fuck up the show in the first place.