[ SECRET POST #2562 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2562 ⌋

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Comments

[chardmonster]

I avoid Nostalgia Critic on purpose but that wouldn't surprise me. Dorks are fucked up about religion. They're either telling you all religious people are idiots (and that they are by default smarter cause atheism) or insisting whatever flavor of paganism they like makes more sense than Christianity (not bagging on paganism in particular, I just don't see how a trendier, nerdier religion makes more sense than an older one just because).

The question would be whether he actually believes that or if he's just playing into the "YOU'RE BETTER THAN NORMAL PEOPLE, DORKS!" ideology.

[(Anonymous)]

No chardmonster, you are the dorks.

[chardmonster]

And then Chardmonster had a dreamwidth account

[(Anonymous)]

tbh my main concern here is that we really need to nail down this vocabulary wrt the distinction between dorks and other similar terms like geek and nerd et cetera

[chardmonster]

Oh god please don't start

[(Anonymous)]

syntactic inexactitude is a horrible thing chard

chaos, chard, that's what's going to happen. chaos.

[(Anonymous)]

Pagan religions are older religions than Christianity...

[ill_omened]

Paganism as it's practiced now was for all intents and purposes created wholecloth in the twentieth century.

Which doesn't mean Chard isn't projecting like a motherfucker because some atheist hurt her feelings or something (seems to be a particular nerve?), but paganism is very new.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what it seems to me as well. She sure as hell isn't acting like good Christian given how passionate she is about it, though.

[chardmonster]

Nah, I'm just tired of atheists looking like even worse assholes than the evangelicals lately.

Nice job managing to be an asshole about both myself and pagans, though! There are plenty of ways to say what you did in a sensitive way.

I wasn't at all insulting paganism. I know some fucking cool pagans. I just don't think it makes MORE sense than major religions. That doesn't mean it makes less sense.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

It depends on which brand of paganism you're talking about.

Hinduism? Fits my description of paganism - not based in any way on Abrahamic mythology, and has multiple gods who often represent certain virtues. Hinduism is not some new religion made from whole cloth in the 20th century.

I will however agree that neo-pagan beliefs based on Earth Mother/Triple Goddess/Horned God traditions, or based on the pantheons of cultures like Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt are just as you say. Just because those pantheons were once legitimately worshiped religions once does not mean the modern pagan following aren't anything more than new religions - the ancient followings died out long ago under the pressure of the Roman Catholic juganaught.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but maybe she's referring to neopagans? Modern day paganism is pretty inauthentic after all. And I am one. Lol

[(Anonymous)]

Some of them - the Olympic pantheon, for example. Gardnerian 'wicca' paganism? Nope. See comment below.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I even think Hellenistic paganism is a bit of a new thing - the ancient Greek religions died out long ago (or were killed off by early Christianity after it got government backing). What exists now is a modern interpretation of a dead religion based solely on what information was left behind in writings and art (which likely does not include the "mysteries" of any of those religions).

[(Anonymous)]

Not the modern interpretations practiced by most nerds.

[(Anonymous)]

Like most Christian denominations older than Orthodoxy?

[(Anonymous)]

How is Judeo-Christian mythology any less nerdier, I wonder?

[(Anonymous)]

Which pagan religions? If you're talking, say, heathenism, then no. Some scholars even think the nordic religion borrowed from middle-eastern Christianity originally. Christianity has been around a very long time, longer than many older European religions as we (and modern pagan practitioners) understand them.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, got sources for that? Christianity did a lot of borrowing from pagan religions, I'd be skeptical about it happening the other way around. And I'm really not sure what you mean, of course paganism is older than Christianity, there is no debate about that. Not the paganism that modern day neopagans practice, of course.

[(Anonymous)]

That was sooo not the point of what they were saying.
Fucking nit pickers.

[feotakahari]

It seems to me that it's more perverts than dorks. Like, a LOT of people who write porn frame Christians as sex-hating bad guys. (As a porn writer who likes Christians, I sometimes feel a bit overwhelmed.)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

As a porn writer (well, RPer) who is Christian... I feel Christians who hate sex are spurning one of God's greatest gifts to humans.

[(Anonymous)]

I can actually see why some might think that the idea of several godlike beings that are very powerful but not omnipotent would make more sense than the idea of a single God who can do literally everything ever. A group of powerful but finite beings seems more plausible to me, because we have experience with groups of powerful but finite beings definitely and demonstrably existing; it's just a matter of scaling them up. Omnipotence and omniscience are horses of a different color, and the uniqueness of a monotheistic God makes it conspicuous and raises different questions than a polytheistic pantheon does.

I actively avoid internet reviewers, and I really don't feel like getting into your issues with atheism right now, but I can see why paganism would send up less plausibility red-flags for some folks than monotheism.

[chardmonster]

I wasn't trying to say that one wouldn't subjectively make more sense than another; religion's a very personal thing. I'm far from devout but Catholicism/Anglicanism makes more sense to me than most Protestant denominations because it's more syncretic and incorporates ritual. It also has a hell of a lot more feminine elements. But on an objective level--looking at culture from the outside--one faith doesn't make more sense than another faith. Does that make sense?

I have zero issues with atheism--I think it's a rational position. My issue is with how certain atheists on the internet conduct themselves. I don't think they're assholes because they're atheists; think they're assholes using atheism as another pillar to prop themselves up with. It's similar to having no issue with people enjoying My Little Pony but finding bronies annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

The context is less 'religion sucks' and more 'you don't need religion to be human'. I'm almost certain he's actually Christian himself.

He's a privileged guy but he generally responds positively to that kind of criticism, so he's not nearly as bad as the secret seems determined to paint him.