[ SECRET POST #2565 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2565 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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08. [SPOILERS for Shingeki no Kyojin / Attack on Titan]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

john watson shouts “I AM NOT GAY!!” the audience roars in laughter. another vulnerable group of people used as a joke. what ground-breaking writing. why include queer characters when you can just hint at them and make them vehemently defend their heterosexuality instead?

[(Anonymous)]

You are aware that this episode was written by an openly gay man, right?

[(Anonymous)]

But anon, gay men are a vulnerable group that need straight people's protection.

[(Anonymous)]

One gay man speaks for all gay men, didn't you know?

[(Anonymous)]

This is not about the episode, it's about Watson's no homo.

[(Anonymous)]

Gatis is one of the two creators of the show, and he's very good friends with the other one. Plus they are both adults, so if Gatiss had any problem with Moffat's portrayal of John, I'm sure they would take about it like mature people and reach a favorable conclusion for both of them.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This does puzzle me. I don't care one bit about shipping or queerbaiting, what with this being a show I haven't watched in years. But Mistaken For Gay jokes are so dumb and tired even I want them to go away already, let alone the queer people in my life. Why's this writer so okay with it?

[(Anonymous)]

...yeah, and Watson's "no homo" reactions in this episode were written by the aforementioned openly gay man. Characters don't act on their own, they have to have people writing their actions. Clearly Gatiss doesn't have an issue with the "I'm not gay" jokes since he wrote it into one of his episodes.

Of course one gay man's feelings don't reflect that of an entire group, but since most people crying foul over this are straight people then I find it hard to agree that this stuff is homophobic and as terribly offensive to gay men as they try to make it sound.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, every article criticizing the show on LGBT blogs have all been written by straight people.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing I don't understand is...well, there's always been a modern 'oh er missues wink wink' view on the relationship between Holmes & Watson and it would have been odder to me if they hadn't acknowledged this and at the same time kept it true the canon in that Holmes & Watson weren't a gay couple.

It makes me a little sad that we now view close male friendship as something gay.

[(Anonymous)]

"but since most people crying foul over this are straight people then I find it hard to agree that this stuff is homophobic and as terribly offensive to gay men as they try to make it sound."

Well here's one non straight person who also thinks it's bullshit. I agree that it's hardly the worst sort of homophobia they could be perpetuating, but it's still fucking irritating.

People are so quick to yell 'oh shut up you're just butthurt about your ship,' when it's more than that - though unfortunately a lot of people do only care about the shipping.

The real problem with it is that people who think being gay is something to be laughed at are having their views validated by all those jokes. The casual viewer has no idea what goes on on the internet, doesn't know about 'shipping' or 'meta jokes' or that people have theorised and debated about Holmes/Watson for decades. They just watch the show and laugh at how awful it is for these poor straight guys to keep getting called gay. Laugh at the idea that the heroic male leads could be anything but straight. It's not the worst sort of homophobia out there. But it's not funny either.

[(Anonymous)]

good try but most people i've seen criticizing it has been queer.

[(Anonymous)]

Well if people keep insisting a straight man is gay....it is an understandable, not the best reaction, but an understandable reaction to say "I'm not gay"

[(Anonymous)]

Or they could just... not have people insist he is gay? It's a situation engineered by the writers to facilitate a (cheap) joke. It's not like the character is real.

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat: "Jump!"

Gattis: "How high?!"

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat is great guy irl and though I havwn't met Gatiss, he seems nice enough. Saying this I want fic about them, the crackier the better!

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make the joke any less cheap and stupid.

Though I really don't blame him for being fed up with the crazy fans and wanting to mock them. Too bad it's not working. I think he underestimates just how stupid they are. They don't understand that the line was directed at them, informing them that he thinks they're stupid. They just squeal "omg GAAAAAAY!1!!!!!1!11!"

I can't help but wonder exactly how casual viewers of the show take these jokes.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't trust prominent gay men, because they usually got that way by fitting into straight society. The most prominent gay man in my town is against gay marriage, for instance, wrap your head around that seeming (but not really) paradox.

[(Anonymous)]

So gay men are obliged to think the way you do, or the way they "ought" to? How about NO.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, fail.

da

[(Anonymous)]

everyone who is against gay marriages can suck my fucking cock. it's not their fucking business. they could be fucking universexual and it wouldn't be their fucking business. being a gay man doesn't protect you from being an enormous douchebag. it just makes the way in which you chose to unleash your douchebaggery a lot more staggering.

[(Anonymous)]

isn't that a tumblr text post, word for word ?

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. I laughed when I saw it, because all the friends of mine who shared it love gay-but-not-really ships from a bunch of other shows (as do I). They just don't like Sherlock.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't laugh. Mostly, I felt bored with them saying it all the time. He's not gay. OK, moving on.

[arcadiaego]

Oh man, don't go down that road. Apparently it's offensive to ask them not to keep adding situations where people repeatedly mistake John for gay (because that happens in real life all the time, oh wait) that have no relevance to the plot.