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⌈ Secret Post #2565 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

LGBT people can have differing views. LGBT people can find other LGBT people's views offensive.

A few years ago the double standard between the Sherlock/Molly and Sherlock/Moriarty scenes would not have bothered me, because I still believed that homophobes were entitled to their beliefs and that they shouldn't be made uncomfortable so long as they weren't actively harming LGBT folk. I'd have argued, 'well, it's perfectly understandable that they didn't want to show a same-sex kiss on a mainstream show. It's understandable that straight people don't want to see that. It's understandable that people would worry about their kids seeing it. It doesn't mean they're homophobic.'

Now I realise that's utter fucking bullshit - double standards like that are disgusting and homophobes don't deserve one iota of comfort.

t;dr: Just because a gay man wrote it and doesn't think it's homophobic doesn't mean he's right and that other LGBT people can't be hurt by it.

[(Anonymous)]

Bravo

[(Anonymous)]

but it's not because they didn't want to show a same-sex kiss on a mainstream show. we have same-sex kisses on mainstream shows literally every day of the week.

[(Anonymous)]

It's still a double standard.

[(Anonymous)]

no it isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

da

They chose to cut away from the same-sex kiss but show the opposite-sex one fully for no reason at all. That is a double standard.

I've seen some people try to argue that it was cut like that for the comedic timing, but I don't buy that. Would it really have made any difference if one more second of footage had been shown before cutting to Anderson? I don't think so.

[(Anonymous)]

if you don't buy that then obviously you just don't have a sense of humour. loser.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because the two scenes served two very different purposes? Molly and Sherlock are friends, well as much friends as someone can be with Sherlock and the kiss was an expression of that. The Sherlock/Moriarty was obviously played for laughs, but I thought it was mocking more the idea of these two particular characters getting together because they're mortal enemies and Moriarty was determined to destroy Sherlock and the fandom obsession of hooking two guys up even when it makes absolutely no sense rather than the fact that they're men. Although would there really have been less complaining if they had kissed since it was pretty obvious we weren't meant to take any of it seriously?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not necessarily a double standard.

maybe the opposite sex actors were comfortable kissing each other and the actors for the same sex couple said, "No thanks." It's not like they're filming this thing with clay models or Barbies.

[(Anonymous)]

I would argue that the kisses reflect the story context -- Molly has always had Mills & Boon-type feelings for Sherlock, hence the Mills and Boon style kiss; Moriarty and Sherlock were conspiring like two naughty schoolboys, hence the more light-hearted and more equal kiss.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Well then it's the fault of the show instead of the network. The double-standard still happened, regardless of whose fault it was or why.

[(Anonymous)]

nope.

[glo_unit]

Since when?

[(Anonymous)]

Since the first lesbian kiss on Brookside... I think? Sometime in the nineties. I was very young and I don't watch soaps as a rule.

But yeah, most soaps have a queer character if not couple. And a lot of crime shows.

[(Anonymous)]

not on this one. it's a double standard.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes LGBT people have differing views, and yes some LGBT people will find some stuff offensive whereas other LGBT people won't. I'm not saying that those LGBT people who are offended don't have the right to be, I'm saying it's absurd for people (both LGBT and straight) to throw the word "homophobic" around (especially towards another LGBT person) just because that person has a different idea of what's acceptable.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I'm queer and I know it is perfectly possible to be homophobic and queer, exhibit one, my past self. I see it more than you obviously think/see/look for. Homophobic doesn't have to be "I hate queers and I think they should die" you know, it can be a whole range of Othering beliefs/behaviours.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Ever stop to think that the joke was about two bitter enemies kissing that just happened to be gay? Especially since this episode was written by an openly gay man? It's supposed to be funny because they're enemies, not because they're gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Ever stop to think THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY KISS?

[(Anonymous)]

If enemies being romantically/sexually involved is a joke, I suppose A Scandal in Belgravia was just one long joke right? Oh no wait, it was treated legitimately, even though she's a lesbian and a criminal working against him. Why is 'they're enemies' a good enough reason to make Sherlock/Moriarty funny and ridiculous, but Sherlock/Irene is dramatic and serious?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, if an enemy is a woman, then the hero (who has to be a straight Dude) will inevitably have sexual tension, or even sexual interaction sooner or later. James Bond, Batman, etc. It's not treated as just a joke, because it's understood that men + women in a passionate positive or negative interaction will not be seen as ~unnatural if they end up attracted to one another. Whereas two guys? HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW.

Russell T Davies probably felt he couldn't Go There with the Doctor + Master in Doctor Who, but SHIT, the foe!yay in that was treated the most seriously and canon-like that I've yet seen in mainstream fiction.

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ayrt

Well if they'd actually kissed, I wouldn't be complaining. Of course that's the joke and that's fine. But the fact that Sherlock/Molly got a kiss even though they're just as canonically unlikely and Sherlock/Moriarty didn't, is a double standard.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm queer too, and I'm sick of being told that I'm homophobic just because I'm not morally outraged at some silly throwaway jokes on a TV programme. If other people are offended then fine, that's their right to be, but stop making out like those of us who aren't are some kind of horrible bigots just because we have differing standards. I'm also sick of people assuming that I "must be straight" just because I'm not offended.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I did say (who think like Mark Gatiss/share his experience) because I realised that not all LGBT people would think the same (just as not all straight cis people think the same) nor enjoy the same jokes.