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⌈ Secret Post #2580 ⌋

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I'm told that 2channers get mad about the term. It's up to you if that makes you want to use it less or more.

anything that upsets the Japanese netizens has got to be a good thing

I love you when you do stuff like this, Case.

holy crap! lol, i didn't even notice. that's great.

I noticed it right away. Brilliant.

Congratulations on being a racist asshole.

Do you even know what racism is? Hint: it isn't calling people funny names.

DA

This isn't a random funny name, though. In the context of that show, it's a racial slur. Using it ironically is fine to me, but OP did say they were now going for the face value meaning, so...

It's as offensive as calling someone a muggle. Or even less because the average Japanese person never watched Code Geass.

Well, again, it's the part where the OP claims they now use it unironically that interests me. Maybe no one cares enough to be offended (seems like the comment up thread about 2chan says otherwise), but what exactly does that confession mean? I do use 'muggle' ironically, but one day I were to claim that I'm now using it unironically, it would imply that it is now an actual slur to me and I'm okay with using it.

This. Seriously, in a world where real racial slurs exist, whining about a silly fictional one is a waste of time. It's not even insulting - it's a number, just a number. If it were a slur that was clearly an insult (like, I don't know, something of the "shit-head" quality) that might be different.

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It may not be a real insult, but it's probably not a good idea to call Japanese people that. Everyone is a muggle, so calling someone a muggle doesn't really mean anything. However, not everyone is Japanese, and depending on where you live, Japanese people do face discrimination. So, it's probably not the greatest idea to call Japanese people something other than "Japanese people".

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Muggle isn't an offensive word in Harry Potter though. Elevens used in the context in Code Geass is a reminder to the Japanese people that they lost autonomy as a nation and people and are lesser than and subordinates to their colonizers, the Britannia Empire.

It's like in the Potter-verse of calling a Muggle a Mudblood basically.

I don't get it.

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Code Geass is an anime where an imperialistic nation (Holy Empire of Britannia, used to be the British Empire but Things Happened) has taken over and enslaved a lot of other nations, including Japan. The nations conquered are called Areas and assigned a number.

Japan is Area Eleven, the Japanese people are called Elevens and the superficial plot of the anime is the liberation of Japan from its oppressor. (And the guy in the secret wants to kill his dad.)

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Elevens is a racist slur, in case I didn't make that clear. They are considered second class citizens and treated as such, so the OP calling Japanese people Elevens is rather dickish. Though OP probably thought it was edgy, what with using it ~ironically.

It is a fictional racial slur.

Code Geass is one of the many Japanese media demonstrating how victimized and special Japanese people are. OP calling Japanese people "elevens" is stupid at best irl, considering it's not a real insult.

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What's Ironic about calling Japanese people Elevens?

What is the difference between using it ironically and unironically.

I don't really know myself, I'm guessing, ironically in this case means OP is doing it as a joke, unironically would mean... she seriously thinks of Japanese people as "Elevens" or something?

The irony is that the OP doesn't know what irony is.

It's American irony. That is to say, not.

This is secret number 11...

You should be ashamed of yourself. Still caring about Code Geass.