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[I just really need to rant, so thought that a thread for all of us who feel intense hate for some people would do good]

...are mean to teachers for no reason.

I used to go to a boarding school. I still have friends there, so I visit and I hear what's going on there. Anyway, there's a history teacher. He's lovely, mid-thirties, not a great teacher, but not horrible either. He's a bit awkward and has a tendency to ramble, but he's super-enthusiastic (especially about planes and tanks etc.). He also makes a lot of markings on tests and essays, most of them that make little sense (like he would switch around two words, which since my language has mostly free word order, makes only a tonal difference), but he was fair with grades. And generally my class liked him.

Then there's the new students who came this semester, who seem to be way more immature than previous generations. Or at least immature in a different way. We're talking about 16-year-old people here. While with most of the previous generations things calmed down after the first couple weeks , these people are still acting like it's a pyjama party; they're shouting, screaming, running about in the middle of the night, keeping their doors open so everyone will hear, smoking in the balcony, there's one couple who makes out EVERYWHERE (including hallways and cafeteria, I hate that kind of people), and at least one of them writes horrible poetry (this is a writing school, so bad offence).

Anyway, these people have apparently caused the history teacher some trouble. He had actually shouted at them at one point, and he usually never raises his voice.
This week there was an incident. There's two versions about it. Either these new students had been acting worse than usual, or someone said something very mean (no word about what exactly). Either way this caused the history teacher to cry.

And I'm just furious. Don't these fucking selfish brats realize that teachers are PEOPLE with FEELINGS?!

It's not like I could do anything. So I'm just sitting here, fuming. >:(

Don't these fucking selfish brats realize that teachers are PEOPLE with FEELINGS?!

Nope. They don't realize it. Society goes out of its way to make teachers appear to be information-dispensing machines under some nonsensical impression that professional detachment is a thing kids understand, and the kids do nothing to try to overcome this tendency.

You should hate those people. Those people are assholes. Same thing goes for subs. Or really any person who is working, being nice, and trying their best.

My God, I hate people like that. But sometimes a class is just collectively like that, somehow. I think it's just that sometimes you get a lot of bad eggs in one basket and they influence the other eggs. I was once at a tuition centre that had two branches, the main branch and the secondary branch, and the tutors rotate between which branch they go to every day. I was a student at the secondary branch, but we always heard horror stories about the main branch, and a lot of the tutors agreed that our branch was better-behaved.

There was this one tutor who was really kind and gentle and funny, he was smart and we all got along really well with him. Us students never had much opinion on the students in the main branch (some of us are friends from school/inter-branch activities and it's like a small rivalry) until the day we found out that some of the students - take note that the eldest of these would be 17 - pissed him off so much by jumping around and climbing onto tables and yelling that he actually lost his temper at them and it was really scary. We lost a lot of respect for them then, to be able to work him up like that.

Er, anyway, what I meant was, I hate how people sometimes see their teachers as somebody who gives them a lot of work and tortures them with lessons. They're trying to make a living and enjoy life too! Why can't we be more considerate?!

AYRT
But sometimes a class is just collectively like that, somehow.
Yeah. It's really weird, I have no idea how this class I was talking about is so horrible, since getting into the school involves an interview with the principal and the school counselor. Why didn't anyone notice...

Anyway, there's something really sad when people who are nice and kind are pushed over the edge, because you just know that it is not the first time and this is the point where they just can't take it anymore.

I hate how people sometimes see their teachers as somebody who gives them a lot of work and tortures them with lessons.
I never got that, but then, I always was one of those weird kids who liked school.

I hate people who are jerks to people in general. Especially to customer service people, or people that are clearly trying their best/following policies that they didn't create/etc.

But yeah, when people can't direct their anger at the rightful source, and instead direct it at innocent bystanders/friends/family, I just don't get it. I understand being in a bad mood, but it boggles my mind how you could be an asshole to someone completely unrelated to whatever's put you in a bad mood.

feel free to vent. I get really frustrated when I see people abuse others like that too. So yes you have a right to be angry.

My mother used to be a teacher. I was always shocked when people treated teachers like shit. Those people clearly had no upbringing.

I had a history teacher once. She was a bit dull and a bit foggy with some of the material, but she wasn't that bad. What she was, was incredibly timid. There were a couple of classes who tended to take advantage of that (not usually mine, but the other history class in our year, and one of the classes two years below us). At one point, one of them actually ran her out of the room in tears.

Which was bad, I was really angry when I heard that, but it got worse. The principal of our school was always ... he was not a nice man, and he was kind of a sexist prick (among other things, he told a girl off for wearing a black bra under her white uniform shirt while staring pointedly at her chest). Apparently he found this teacher and proceeding to scream at her in the middle of the corridor for being a disgrace and being unable to control her class.

I was always a pretty timid and by-the-rules kind of kid, but I've never felt so strong an urge to punch an adult as I did when I heard about that. I always disliked him, but I think I'd thought that since teachers were adults, they were safer or something? Turns out no, they really weren't.

lmao just reading your comment made me furious
These people are immature jerks and should be put back in their place. Society is also to blame; teenagers don't have a complete grasp on empathy yet, and dehumanising teachers makes the students even less likely to see them as people.

Their parents are to blame for not raising them better. I had empathy/manners/a basic understanding of right and wrong as a pre-teen, and so did most of my friends. These kids should know better than to act like this.

Eh, that's true, but some kids do have more problems learning empathy than others despite having a decent upbringing. I know because I was one of these kids.

I feel bad that this teacher was upset by some jerky kids, but it also sounds like he's not a very well suited for teaching.

Oh, how I hate people like that:/ My class in high school was very much like that. I could not believe how immature* they were being with teachers and general bad behavior.

Also they had no idea what public space (well, in this case public space is the classroom, but still) was at all and would at all times, even during classes, talk loudly about every detail of their sex life. I mean, I don't mind talking about sex, but I really do not need to know that you are pissed at your boyfriend because he wouldn't have sex with you in the restroom of the local mall, girl I've never really talked to. I'm sure the teacher didn't need to hear it either.

*I was one year older than most of them, but it felt like it was more than ten.

That sucks.

It's one of the reasons I'm actually happy to sub. If I don't like a class
I can just never sub for them again.

For some reason everyone in 9th grade hated our math teacher. They disrespected her during class and got mad when she got upset and told us to do work for the rest of the class. They then blamed her for not passing the class. One guy who had legitimate anger issues once threw a chair and yelled at her.

She cried or would leave the class sometimes apparently. She left that year.
It was awful to hear about it as she was my advisor and she was an interesting person. I hope she found a better job afterward :c

Ugh. What childish brats. I hope they get what's coming to them.

I understand what you're saying. I really do, and yeah, I've seen students out of control making life miserable for everyone.

...But on the other hand, I've seen teachers be as much as a pain in the ass to administrative staff as the students themselves. Heck, I had my ass served on a plate this week because I didn't want to give in to some teacher's whim about breaking a procedure I had previously explained to him, but noooo, he wanted to have his way anyway, and I was the one chastised even when I was doing my job as I'm supposed to.

After many experiences like that one I find it a little difficult to be sympathetic to them; ironically, I used to respect them so much when I was a student...

Unfortunately, there's a good chance they don't realize the teacher has feelings. I know for sure that American society tends to encourage and perpetuate the idea that teachers are education robots or extremely professionally detached (Why? Ugh, long story). This sentiment seeps into popular culture, which America tends to export everywhere else, so while I don't know what country you are in, OP, there's a very good change that the students' inability to recognize their teachers as independent individuals with their own minds, hearts, and feelings is due to the popular culture they grew up with.

On one hand, I can generally empathize with a lot of student apathy or antipathy towards teachers...but those are usually very specific situations and contexts. Most of the time - yeah, this attitude that somehow students are supposed to disrespect teachers is bizarre.

I had a rather timid science teacher in 9th grade, and I lost count of how often he had to call in security to handle a rowdy class. The worst part was that it wasn't even most of the class - most of us were just sitting there and either trying to do the work, or just doing our own thing because nothing of import (class/subject-wise) was happening. It was about a third to a half of the students, at most, who were being assholes.

I had a lot of classmates from this particular class in my other classes, too, and for many of them, they were the distracting ones across the board the teachers had to put a lot of effort into controlling. Worst, though, was that of that third-to-half contingent from the science class, only half were rowdy across the board. The other half could absolutely be quiet and respectful, until they got riled up by that first half.

This was the biggest reason I tried so hard to get into advanced classes as I moved up through high school. The higher you go, then the less immature the class as a collective whole is in comparison to regular level classes.

In my last year of high school, I worked as an after-school tutor for around two dozen failing 10th graders, most or all of them boys depending on the month's rotation. There was always one or two kids who would be the ones distracting everyone else and turning them into a riot (one in particular, actually). The moment I moved that kid to a portion of the classroom separated from the rest of the students, those students calmed down (mostly - separated from doesn't mean cut-off from, and this guy was loud). It's always been my experience there's usually a handful of students or only one student who is actually an asshole - everyone else just goes along with them, and then can calm down and be a nice student once that 'critical mass student' (as I and some other teachers called them) were separated from that environment.

The really depressing part is that most of those asshole types aren't even inherently bad kids. I only got to really know much about some of them, but definitely many of them seemed to come from unstable home situations. I'm pretty sure a lot of them just wanted attention to make up for a severe lack of attention at home. That doesn't mean they're not assholes for taking their personal problems and lashing out at teachers, or even that this is some absolute causation pattern. It's just a trend that makes me sad when I think about education culture today.

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