[ SECRET POST #2597 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2597 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.


__________________________________________________



11.


__________________________________________________



12.


__________________________________________________



13.


__________________________________________________



14.


__________________________________________________



15.















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 047 secrets from Secret Submission Post #371.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - titc ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/4MCLSyX.png?1?3636

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to see some sort of aftermath fic that has Elsa apologizing for leaving Anna out in the cold (heh) for so many years.

/not your point, OP.

[insanenoodlyguy]

You're wrong and your right. Obviously fanon has done worse.

But making it romantic does without doubt ruin the message. You're saying it's not the point, but it was. The whole fucking point of the thing was to show that NON-ROMANTIC LOVE CAN BE TRUE LOVE. That's why we had not one but two red herring romance plots that, while resolved, didn't save the day.

You alter that, you alter everything. I'm not saying you can't. But don't say you aren't!

[(Anonymous)]

This. Completely.

[kallanda_lee]

Basically this. I mean, I'm okay with people fantasizing about stuff or even writing AU versions of it, but if you somehow try to shoehorn it into canon then yes, you're completely changing the message and missing the point.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I don't even know. I sort of want to pretend I was high when I wrote this. I think I meant more the fandom's reaction to shipping them beyond the movie? Like, canon is definitely not about romantic love, and...

Yep, I don't know. I done fucked up.

Re: OP

[ozaline]

I think I got what you were going for, "Romantic Love and Platonic Love are on the same level so it doesn't matter if they're gay for each other or not!" Which is the movie's position but reversed. I get it, and I get the live and let live approach... but yeah in Disney land the example of platonic love needed to be set. (Well Once Upon a Time had a platonic True Love's Kiss at the end of season one... hopefully no one ships THAT)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes given Disney has taken so long to get this message across, I agree with you, it's a shame to think that fandom have in fact cheapened it, and missed the point as well.

[(Anonymous)]

My, someone is feeling butthurt about my secret from last week.

[(Anonymous)]

The one about the ice dildoes?

[(Anonymous)]

No, this: http://i.imgur.com/LJ7sSmN.png

Similar wording even.

I totally missed the ice dildo secret.

[(Anonymous)]

"That was fanon's point" ¿¿¿¿¿?????? You honestly think Disney intended that to be ambiguously un-platonic?

"the point was that their love was powerful enough to set the all damage right" How is this not the point of every other romantic Disney movie? Beast's love for Belle changes him and saves him and his castle from the curse. Phillip's romantic kiss saves Aurora and the kingdom from a curse. Flynn selflessly sacrifices himself to give Rapunzel her freedom. Naveen and Tiana get married out of love to live their life as frogs and that coincidentially lifts the curse. I THINK Disney is pretty aware that "love is powerful to set all the wrongs right"---this time it IS specifically about family love, though, no fanon about it.

Honestly the pairing squicks the hell out of me, but I was willing to live and let ship. Now I think ppl who ship this are a bunch of idiots.

[insanenoodlyguy]

I like this ship, but for my usual horrible reasons.

Just rememember that any ship has two populations. The people that like it because it's cute/hot/funny, and the people that NEED IT TO BE TRUE.

We don't want to lump them all together immediately.

BESIDES GIRL ON GIRL WINCEST IS HAWTTTTTTTTT

OP

[(Anonymous)]

"You honestly think Disney intended that to be ambiguously un-platonic?"

Hell no.

(...just going to hang out here under the cone of shame until the mortification of submitting this wears off.)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Can I just go on record saying I phrased all of this terribly and said a number of thing I didn't intend and that I should probably go hide in a ditch?

-headdesk for all eternity-

Re: OP

[lynx]

It's ok, OP, it has happened to all of us, including people better than you or me ^^ *stops you from headdesking*

[(Anonymous)]

i dont care if people ship it or not, but the movie's point WAS that it was a non-romantic love that saved them. hence the trailer stating 'family is the most powerful magic of all'

[terabient]

I ship Elsanna because it makes what's ultimately a fairly standard 'estranged sisters rediscover their love for each other' tale creepy and taboo and all sorts of fun stuff. Basically I don't ship it because it's canon, I ship it because what canon offers is boring to me.

I do find the 'incest ruins the message!11!' a little weird, but only because some people seem to think there's like, a tier for forms of love. Like sisterly/familial bonds are always stronger or 'better' than romantic ones. No, they're just different. But I've only seen a few people frame it like that. Most people are just (understandably) squicked by incest.

[(Anonymous)]

I do find the 'incest ruins the message!11!' a little weird

But in this case, it really, honestly does. The entire message of the film was that true love doesn't have to be romantic. By making it romantic, you're completely invalidating the movie's point.

It's not incest ruining the message, it's making a relationship that is explicitly intended to be non-romantic into a romantic one.

[terabient]

Well, I agree that the message that true love can take forms beyond the romantic interest of a man and a woman, is the point of Frozen. And if you're reading Elsa and Anna's relationship as romantic and you think it's intentional that is pretty silly.

What I meant to say is, there are a few posts on tumblr and elsewhere that say, in effect, that Frozen is groundbreaking because familial love is what ends up saving the day, as though a Disney film championing family is somehow shocking and against the norm, and people who choose to ship Elsanna are doing so because they need to 'make everything romantic!' as if romance itself is less important. Disney films--even the Disney princess films--are as much about family bonds and honoring love between family members as they are about princesses meeting boys they eventually marry; acting as if Frozen is incredible for, once again, showing audiences that family love is powerful and beautiful and that people who like Elsanna are ruining something RARE AND SPECIAL!!1! because they want dirty awful romance is annoying.

Basically I get annoyed whenever a ship is denounced because the canon platonic reading is seen to be 'better' or more unique than a fanon romantic interpretation, especially when the fanon ACCEPTS canon will never back them up. Of course, the fact that Elsa and Anna are sisters complicates things, because yeah, incest is wrong. I just wish people would go "I don't like Elsanna because ugh, incest" instead of saying "platonic love is special DON'T RUIN IT WITH ROMANCE!" Of course, most people do say 'ew incest' and not 'ew romance.' But not everyone.

I realize this doesn't have much to do with the secret OP posted. ^^;