[ SECRET POST #2597 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2597 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

There's an argument about how the women being sexualized are a male fantasy and the men being sexualized are more of a male power fantasy than an analogous female fantasy.

Personally I'd like to move away from objectification of anyone but it can be hard to define where that ends and appreciating someone as a sexual being begins.

I'm not too concerned about treating animated people as objects though.

[ill_omened]

It's a pretty unconvincing argument.

Especially in regards to anime.

[(Anonymous)]

That argument is so wrong it hurts.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like that argument basically erases an aspect of female sexuality.

[sarillia]

How so? I'm wondering if I would agree with you if you expanded on that.

I'm not really invested in the argument I referred to; I just thought it seemed relevant. I do think that there often seems to be a disconnect between what people think women are attracted to in men and what a lot of women say they are actually attracted to. Of course there's also a discrepancy with what men supposedly find attractive in women.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I feel like it's basically towing the old "women aren't visual" line. It's erasing the fact that women do get turned on by visual cues and do enjoy the sight of a sexy, naked man (well, heterosexual and bisexual women, anyway).

[sarillia]

True, that is annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

Not all women, and not all women should be expected to be. :(

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

You're right. You're absolutely right. But women also shouldn't all be expected to be non-visual, and we often are. Additionally, the idea that women are all non-visual is used to perpetuate a lot of harmful stereotypes and standards. For example, purity culture uses that idea that men are visual and women aren't to a) shame women for being "immodest" and b) eliminate/curtail women's sexual expression.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a pretty big difference between the Kratos kind of sexy (which is all about how strong and powerful he is) and the kind of sexy that's about how they'll do anything for you (which some anime guys fall into, especially in shows for girls.)

Incidentally, there's a lot of debate over how you might do Kratos sexy with a female character. I've heard it argued that Aeon Flux pulled it off, but I haven't watched it.

long thing is long....

[(Anonymous)]

I feel that this is a fair argument which is ignored too often.

(First of all, I think it's obvious it shouldn't be a contest and sexualizing people in belittling ways isn't healthy for anyone.)

BUT...having said that...

When men sexualize women it's usually (from what I've seen) about the tits and ass, the nudity, sexy poses, costumes that show more than they hide, etc. etc.

So it seems like men (in general) ASSUME the same thing (showing off male body parts), is what women want. Because genders = polar opposite but exactly the same.

But when women (not all but some) read romance novels or write fanfic where men are shown in emotional and tender ways, rather than stuff-strutting ways, men seem to find it gross and emasculating and react in disgust. Because it's "unmanly" and "how dare they treat the male characters with such little respect."

Again, not every person thinks that way or says that, but come on, there IS a general pervading attitude that showing sensitive guys is emasculating, whereas if there is male bod yparts it should be enough for those whiny bitches because what, "men are being sexualized too!!!!1"

To put my cards on the table I don't think any sexualizing where people are treated as SEX OBJECTS is good. I don't agree with it and I feel it causes a lot of harm in the world. Not everyone is going to agree with me, but that's still what I think.

And FWIW I think enjoying the sexuality of another person or gender doesn't have to be degrading and shouldn't be.

Re: long thing is long....

[(Anonymous)]

good comment

But thoughtful.

[(Anonymous)]

+10 for bringing up thoughtfully made, good points.

Your explanation is reminding me of a Tumblr post I saw recently where women were talking about what a popular character Pongo's owner from 101 Dalmations is, and a guy happened on the conversation and was like "Wait, huh? How is he attractive at all?" And the women explained (he's funny, geeky, gentle, plays lots of musical instuments, loves animals, and generally seems like someone who would be fun to date). The guy was so surprised, because his idea of fanservice for women was more along the lines of Gaston, and lol, no.