[ SECRET POST #2598 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a fascinating expression of the interesting relationship slash fandom has to men and masculinity. Slash fans, it's fair to say, are fascinated by men, and much of the history of slash fandom is about reinterpreting, queering, and reimagining various forms of masculinity to serve that fascination.

There's one really toxic model of masculinity that's very much subscribed to by a lot of MRAs, pickup artists, and their ilk: the notion of alpha males and beta males and so on, with all the competition and sneering and resentment that comes with that kind of ugly caste system. Like, they honest-to-god think that's how the real world works.

So A/B/O fic, as I see it, is just slash fandom hijacking that particular bus and driving it straight to Crazytown. And I mean that in the best way. :)

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of like mpreg. I like it precisely because it bites fictional men in the ass and could care less about the "miracle of pregnancy" IRL.

[(Anonymous)]

...I have to wonder how the hivemind would have reacted if ABO had been set up as a het only or females only universe. I can just imagine the howls of outrage now...

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, women with extending penis. no thx.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes pls more of this! My problem with a/b/o is that there is not enough ladies with some kind of extended penis and it's focused (like most of fandom) all on the mens.

[(Anonymous)]

That would be pretty sweet in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that just whats-it-called in manga?

[(Anonymous)]

futa

[(Anonymous)]

The hivemind would have ignored it, probably.

[(Anonymous)]

I've read het ABO. With female alphas. It's hot.

[dethtoll]

This quote could almost have been written by a friend of mine -- you two would probably get along.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I'll take that as a compliment; thanks. :)

[(Anonymous)]

This makes me love A/B/O fic more than I already do. Thanks, Nonny!

[darkmanifest]

Yeah, but the bus to Crazytown hardly ever subverts or deconstructs the ugly caste bullshit, it just swaps out all the women for men and keeps right on driving. A/B/O is basically male prison fiction with knots, pregnancy, and lubricating butts. That's not a criticism, it's a pure kink genre and never pretends to be anything else, but it seems more like a reinforcement of toxic models of masculinity than anything else and that can be a little dismaying.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair. It really doesn't deconstruct or criticize those harmful tropes, but then, porn rarely does. Porn tends to come more out of the id than the superego. Mostly I just like that it lets me find MRA lunacy about their spot in the "sexual marketplace" more hilarious than creepy.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a huge fan of A/B/O but I think a big part of M/M is how it allows women to disconnect from their gender, and I think it works similarly.

[(Anonymous)]

I read two kinds of A/B/O - pure idfic wankbait (which is what you describe here).

And the deconstructive stuff.

I tend to think of it as almost two different genres though.

[(Anonymous)]

There's one really toxic model of masculinity that's very much subscribed to by a lot of MRAs, pickup artists, and their ilk: the notion of alpha males and beta males and so on, with all the competition and sneering and resentment that comes with that kind of ugly caste system. Like, they honest-to-god think that's how the real world works.

These days, I can't read shit like that without thinking of omegaverse fanfic. I like omegaverse for that alone, even though I'm only really interested in it for the worldbuilding potential.

[(Anonymous)]

It does put an entertaining new spin on the sleazy bar weasels yapping on about alpha/beta bullshit.