[ SECRET POST #2598 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

In the earlier days of the fandom, before /mlp/ came about, the pony porn people were in the minority. People would get mad at others for posting porn or gross shit. They also seemed better with female fans than most people on 4chan. I don't know if Bronies are the majority, but they're definitely the loudest, and the more antagonistic. I don't think I've seen anyone on the other side attack them.

[starphotographs]

I've seen a lot of weird scolding and disdain from both sides.

I dunno, the whole thing just kind of weirds me out, because there are all these grown people, in fandom, of all places, who are acting like they've never heard of cartoon porn before. Now, cartoon porn isn't my bag, but I've known about it since pretty much the very instant I went online for the first time, and have comfortably coexisted with it for the last 13+ years. Bronies aren't the first to do it, guys.

[feotakahari]

I've seen people on TV Tropes RAGE against Tangled porn, so MLP definitely isn't the only target here.

(Yes, they were angry about sex between a grown man and woman who are married. Their only complaint was that there shouldn't be porn of a movie where the target audience is kids.)

[starphotographs]

Ack! That's dumb!

I know it's not MLP-exclusive (I've seen a lot of similar pearl-clutching about ATLA), but it really seems to be a mid-2010s thing. Until recently, cartoon fandoms just kind of... Had porn. And there wasn't like, a moral panic about it. :/

[(Anonymous)]

In my case, I don't care that the porn exists, just that it's so easily accessible to children when it comes to some of these fandoms.

I know there will always be some stuff that slips through the cracks, but when multiple Rule 34 results pop up on your basic Google search of a character from a children's show even with Safe Search on, it's time to rein the fandom in a bit and clean up (as in, making sure people are locking up the porn).

I have been hearing about semi-organized events for fans to clean up Safe Search results in their respective fandoms. Hopefully these become a commonplace thing.

[starphotographs]

I kind of feel like that's always been the case too, though? I know I ran across similar stuff when I first went online, and that was in the very early 2000s, when images in general were a lot harder to search for.

I've heard of the Safe Search cleanup thing before. Something about it bugs me, but I can't articulate it and am probably just overthinking things, so don't mind me. :P

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I also remember running across that stuff when I was first online (mid-late 90s in my case), but that's precisely why I thought it was great that Google, when it came along, had a Safe Search option for kids and people at work and why I agree with the general idea of the cleanup - because Safe Search has always been intended to be SFW. When it comes to people who say to go into the non-Safe Search area and clean that up too, that part does bug me, because usually when one has Safe Search off, they're actually searching for these things, which is an entirely different situation.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually really enjoyed the Tangled fandom for that reason. It was so goddamn innocent and vanilla. Nothing like FROZEN: WE HEART INCEST.

But I never bitched on TVtropes for serious.

[(Anonymous)]

It's especially weird when I see people I know who've drawn porn of shows like Adventure Time and such still lambast bronies as terrible perverts.

They're definitely not the first to sexualize cartoons or even non-humanoid cartoons. Come to the Pokemon porn pool sometime, where nothing is tagged and Gardevoir always has giant boobs. Seriously. It's fucking everywhere but, hey, people hate bronies so only they are terrible!

[starphotographs]

Exactly!

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen much AT porn, but with Bronies it's also the way they approach it. There's a lot of grimdark, stuff with the younger characters (probably ~8), rape, torture.

This stuff is in every fandom, but here it's pretty much the entire Brony population. I think the appeal for a lot of them wasn't the show itself, but the fact that the fandom was taking something for little girls and making it grimdark as fuck.

[starphotographs]

I've kind of noticed that as a trend with periphery demographic fandoms in general. Dunno why it is, but cartoon fans loooove making everything grimdark.

It varies from interesting to laughable. :P

[(Anonymous)]

Kids fandoms in general get this too.

A lot of kids stories use workarounds to avoid talking about heavy issues, and sometimes these workarounds look really dark when seen from an adult mind. Things like mind control, magic, and even the very rules of the universe are meant to be innocent and fun, but they walk a razor thin line, where a bump up in the rating would make these same cute things look really horrifying.

To use MLP specifically, Nightmare Moon bringing eternal night is a way to set up a threatening villain while giving them a simple understandable motive that kids can wrap their heads around. That goal looks a lot darker to the adult mind, because an adult will realize that eternal night would cause an agonizing death to everything on the planet as one side of the planet slowly froze to death, while the other side starves as everything turns into a barren desert from the eternal sun.

Along the same line, Discord mind controls the main characters because using physical violence and threats generally won't fly in a Y rated program, to kids it's just the villain using tricks to make the main characters fight each other. To an adult, the concept of having your entire personality and memories rewritten at the whims of another person is a horrifyingly dark concept. In children's stories, mind control is usually treated very lightly and is often a workaround in lieu of physical violence, in adult fiction mind control is seen as irredeemably evil, and often leaves scars that linger, and is sometimes used as an allegory for rape or other horrible acts.

I think that's where a lot of the grimdark comes from, when we look back on cartoons we watched as children we sometimes realize that the things we saw as whimsical and magical would be terrifying when applied to a more realistic setting. Some people want to explore that realization by taking things like eternal night, shapeshifters that replace your loved ones, and casual mind control and explore what something like that would mean in a world that didn't run on good guys always winning in the end and nobody ever suffering permanent harm.

[starphotographs]

I totally agree with this! It's actually kind of a cool phenomenon. I know I found it fascinating when I was a pre-teen and just starting to lurk around in fandom. It showed me a different way of thinking about things that get glossed over in shows for a young demographic. (And taught me the fun of making characters suffer. XD)