[ SECRET POST #2598 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get your example about Pocahontas. Inaccurate, yes. But what the heck are you talking about with "good Indian"? Pocahontas was my favorite princess growing up, she was a hero and I wanted to be like her. I'm not sure why her being Native American means she can't save the white guy's life. How is it not a good deviation from the usual "guy saves the princess" trope? And what are kids going to take away from that movie besides the colonists sucked at the Native Americans were cool? And that people on both sides can be ruthless and hate/demonize other groups, and that it takes people who learn how to understand those of different cultures to find peace?

I mean, for all the criticism the movie deserves - historical inaccuracy, namely - I don't think the values it teaches are among them.

[(Anonymous)]

There's some serious doubt as to whether or not John Smith's account of being saved by Pocahontas was true, for one. Some scholars think it's total BS, others think it was merely a ceremonial "saving", i.e. Smith was never in any actual danger and didn't need rescuing.

As for wanting to be like her... do you actually know what happened to her in real life? What the secret said about being kidnapped and held for ransom by the English and ending up dying of disease and never seeing her home again are 100% true. If that's what you aspire to, then... well, I guess power to you, but I don't think I'd want that.

[(Anonymous)]

It seemed pretty clear that AYRT was talking about wanting to be like fictional-character-Pocahontas, not historical-figure-Pocahontas. Fictional-character-Pocahontas saw the common humanity between herself and someone from another culture, and worked to achieve peace and avert violence between two opposing groups. She exhibited agency and saved someone else, rather than needing to be saved herself. Those are what baby!AYRT wanted to be like. What's wrong with that, exactly?

[(Anonymous)]

...but I was obviously talking about the Disney movie, and how I wanted to be the Pocahontas from the movie when I was a kid? I even said that the movie's historical inaccuracy was a problem? I think you're confused...

Really, Pocahontas's story shouldn't have been a kids movie in the first place. But if they were set on taking that story, I hardly see why they should've made it about her being kidnapped, forcibly converted and dying of disease - they made her a hero and gave the movie a message of peace, for whatever else can be said. They should've done a Native American folk tale instead, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

"Good Indian" is a trope, kind of like "Magical Negro." "One of the Good Ones" as it were. Even if it's justified by the story and slightly more humanized by not making the Natives out to be the savages they were in early tv serials, it's still kind of playing into a trope (especially given the visual set-up of the scene she saves him in, with the Natives howling for Smith's blood and the scary colors and all, and the song beat leaning more towards a stereotypical "war drum song." It's a lot of little things that they probably meant well, but reached to as a storytelling shorthand, and those little things, all added up in this context, have Unfortunate Implications, and harken back to the old trope of "the good Indian."