[ SECRET POST #2606 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2606 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://imageshack.com/a/img196/715/f2uw.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I just wish people would talk more about what a hilarious actress she was in her good roles.

[(Anonymous)]

This. She was truly gifted in comedy.

And she was actually smart and the kind of person who loved to learn things for the sake of learning them. Apparently she was very auto-didactic.

[intrigueing]

+1000000000000 She was really excellent.

[othellia]

This. The first time I actually saw her in something was Some Like It Hot, and I was completely blown away by how different she was from all the stereotypes you sort of grow up with.

[(Anonymous)]

SO MUCH YES. Her comedic talents deserve so much more attention than they get. Her timing in The 7 Year Itch is brilliant.

[tabaqui]

She was *awesome* in Some Like it Hot and the Seven Year Itch and Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.....

[kallanda_lee]

Pretty sure that's not just teen girls now, but pretty much most of her fan base since forever.

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to say this.

[(Anonymous)]

What are you talking about? Don't you know teenagers now (especially girls) are the worst ever???

Teenagers NEVER misbehaved or were shallow or whatever before now (especially MY generation). We were all perfectly mature, composed and intelligent little adults.

Not like kids these day *shakes cane*.

[rubbertea]

Celebrities who died a tragic and premature death often get idolised later on. John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Buddy Holly, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix, Tupac... The list goes on and on. And then we forget that some of them were actually kinda shitty people and that all of them were human beings with flaws.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's the nature of being an icon, isn't it? You're not a person any more, you're the embodiment of something, you're a screen onto which people project their desires and ideals. Ms. Monroe just happened to pass through her icon period at the moment when the goddamn baby boomers were picking what would go in the American collective unconscious for the next goddamn century.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, exactly. I don't think it's disrespectful to the person because that was the image she was specifically trying to cultivate.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret whiffs of misogyny. I know you think you're not, but yyyyyyuckkkkk.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol what?

[(Anonymous)]

How is that different than any number of celebs we idolize today?

[(Anonymous)]

So just because she had some struggles in life we should overlook the good stuff she did? I don't think that's fair to her either.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't sound like you know the full picture either. Marilyn used her influence to fight racism and segregation and she struggled but did persevere with a few disabilities/health issues...you may see her as an all-around unhappy mess, but she certainly had some qualities worth admiring. I mean, I totally agree that her looks are what people focus on too much, but your last statement seems about as foolish as the color choice TBH.

[katiemariie]

Mentally ill women can't be role models apparently. Good to know.

[(Anonymous)]

I was kind of with you right up until that last part. I don't think you know a thing about her. You're not better than those people you're complaining about.

[(Anonymous)]

*Raises eyebrows* Really? You've never met a teenage girl who was a Marilyn Monroe fan and who considered her a genuinely compelling, interesting, and worthwhile person, whose life was genuinely (not ~romantically~) tragic?

Or do you think that it's impossible to appreciate anyone who didn't live a perfect life?

[rbhudson]

It's not romantic to me at all, just sad. Especially as someone who has depression, seeing it eat someone up like that :(

[the_missing_y]

Except Ms Monroe chose to be an idol / icon.

The public face, the part of her self she shared with the public, (or the character she hid behind if you'd like, I'm not so sure which it is, or if it really matters) I.E. the glamorous girl Monroe fans today worship, That is the part of herself she chose to be seen and acknowledged and remembered. If she thought she was leaving anything of herself behind for future generations, it is that part of herself.

To then turn around and say "Yeah, but she was really fucked up, look at all the failed relationships, the misery, the sexual abuse she endured. Look at it all and remember it when you think about her!" while that may be accurate from a historical perspective, I would say it's far more disrespectful to her than what you're complaining about.

TL;DR She made a choice about the part of herself she wanted to share, and you are angry at people for respecting that choice?

[hiyami]

In general I don't think anyone should be a role model for that matter.
But if you're going to choose one, it depends what part of what they are you're trying to emulate.

Marilyn died of a meds overdose and mentally unstable, true. Her relationship record is mostly made of failures, but hey, don't most relationships end badly anyway?

She was also able to make it into a very competitive and mysogynistic business that chewed people by the hundreds (men and women alike), using them and then spitting them when there was no money to be made anymore. (not that this changed a lot, mind you. But at least now actors, once they become a bit famous, have a bit more choice than they had at the time)

She was, from all records, a pretty smart autodidact. She tried to create her own producing company, to get more freedom to work on more ambitious roles, though eventually the studios managed to axe it because you do not mess with the powers that be...

I would say that considering where she was coming from, broken home, mental illnesses in the family, with very little education, she accomplished a lot. So if people are looking up to that, then yeah.

[arcadiaego]

Do you actually know they do that? I was a teenage Marilyn fan (and am now a grown up one) and I didn't unquestioningly idolise her. I see a lot of people condemning her fans but little evidence that they're not knowledgeable about her life. If anything it's the media that shows the glamorous image only (I'm thinking of the recent Chanel advert which used a recording of Marilyn basically saying she didn't like being asked what she wore in bed as a promotional device for no. 5.)