[ SECRET POST #2606 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2606 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck, why is "manpain" a thing? Pain is pain and it's valid no matter what your sex or gender.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a pet peeve of mine as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Because society teaches men that they must be strong and stoic. So some people get off on seeing men cry and show emotion.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Men are supposed to wear this impermeable emotional armor, and seeing that armor crack enough that the viewer can get a glimpse of what's inside may, in various manifestations, be the single overriding fandom fetish.

[fingalsanteater]

Yep.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with mainpain is that it takes an individual person's totally valid pain, and lather-rinse-repeats it unvaryingly and narrowly for the same type of people and at the expense of the same types of people in every single damn TV show until it feels like more of a narrative device than a genuine character development whenever it happens. Which IS a shame, because on an individual level, a person's pain is just pain.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, I was thinking up a response along the lines of "I think it applies to a specific thing in literature/movies/etc. where the guy is angsting about how rough his life is because women won't have sex with him and he's out of whiskey."

But then I looked at the secret and yeah I agree.

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[(Anonymous)]

I gotta weigh in on this even though I know I'm inviting wank,

I think "manpain" is a valid term in a fandom context cause it's usually used when a woman has died or been raped, but the author/creator wants us to focus on how much her SO is hurting. You occasionally see that from the press or law enforcement IRL too, but I wouldn't say it's common, thank god.

But yeah, there is a difference between schadenfreud for a real skater who probably genuinely feels bad for his partner, and irritation about a fictional woman fridged to advance the plot.

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[caecilia]

I don't think this is wanky at all, it's a good explanation!

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I was under the impression that "manpain" was specifically when something bad happens to a woman/child in fiction, and the medium portrays male grief as though it's ALL ABOUT HIM. The focus isn't on the victim, but on the male bystander (with the unfortunate implication that no one really cares about the death/rape of a woman unless it effects a man).

This isn't mainpain, as it's pictures of real life men feeling genuinely concerned and upset about their skating partners.

OP can still enjoy it if he/she wants to, but it doesn't fall into the definition of manpain.

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[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, a good number of people use "manpain" as "man feels emotion over anything" and usually in a derogatory fashion. I've personally grown sick of it because of that reason.

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[(Anonymous)]

yeah that's how i've always though of the term too

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and isn't it also a criticism about a specific literary trope, not about real men being justifiably upset.

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[(Anonymous)]

But if the story is told from his point of view, how is this a bad thing? Of course it's going to be all about him if he's the narrator or the focus of the story because we get more insight into his thoughts than we do the other characters.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because it's not like "I'm going to write a short story about a guy whose wife died and how he's coping with that." it's like "I'm going to write a novel/tv show/video game with a huge cast of characters and lots of exciting adventure--I'll introduce a female character but instead of making her interesting I am going to kill her in act two because I need a reason for my male main to be sad." Female characters can die, male characters can be sad, but when it's done this way it's sexist and lazy.

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[(Anonymous)]

and here i've always thought manpain was man feeling pain.

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[(Anonymous)]

Huh. Either I haven't seen it used that way, or I've been misinterpreting the uses of it I've seen, because that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarification!

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[(Anonymous)]

You occasionally see that from the press or law enforcement IRL too, but I wouldn't say it's common, thank god.


Usually in this case it's womanpain. Example: When someone says that army wives are the real casualties of war because their husbands die.

Or how about childrenpain. When we focus on how man kids a slain person had.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, I always thought "manpain" was another word for "asspained" until reading the replies to this.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. I hate that word so fucking much.