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Israel.

Pretty much. I'd like to think it's my own country's special forces but nobody can do what Israel does. Or more accurately, no one with the capabilities is willing to do what Israel does. Same difference.

jidf plz this is clearly bullshit

>Tiny isolationist culture with almost no immigrants that spends all its time fighting against third world nations with limited rules of engagement
>Promoting the best

Top kek

No immigrants? You did hear about the dissolving of the USSR, right?

> use of "top kek" unironically

wait who is an isolationist culture

are you talking about Israel? ISRAEL??? it's one of the few countries in the world where no matter WHAT you fucking look like you won't stand out in the street, because there are people there from every single corner of the world.
You can walk in the streets and hear five or six different languages at any given moment in Jerusalem. Israel is the exact opposite of no immigrants wtf do you know anything about Israel AT ALL

Good is not nice

Israel has tons of immigrants from all over the world, including places like Ethiopia and Uruguay.

Specialiana. The special forces ride unicorns and have magic, and pink and purple are natural colors for hair and eyes. Original country do not steal.

America or the UK, pretty much inarguably.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToUce1XxCfHleihiIbe2nJO-AnpSNxAiSwgTdM11vJnXGsZNOCiQ

"'elite commando[s]' with 'metal bones' and a flamethrower attachment that the marines dropped in when the tac-nukes weren't enough."

Can I change my answer.

A question like this, most people will answer with nationalistic pride.

As a Brit, I am not going to state that Australia/New Zealand/Canada/USA/Israel/Russia has better special forces than we do.

Best at what. You're going to have to be more specific.

Liechtenstein, because they manage to make the entire world believe they have no special forces

The United States, if only by the sheer range of situations we like to put them in.

Edited 2014-03-02 21:34 (UTC)

You've always been comparativley poor at human intelligence (which is fair enough, you haven't had a history of serious literal paramilitary forces on your shores trying to kill your people), and forms a serious part of the sort of form special forces carries out. And hell, you still use torture and lie detector tests like it works.

And it's not like you're not matched by a couple other places.

But yes, realistically the question is 'are there other countries that are on an equal footing to the US', more so then anyone else being better.

Re: which country has the worlds best special forces

dethtoll - 2014-03-02 21:45 (UTC) - Expand

Surely the best special forces wouldn't allow how good they are to become common knowledge, right? So the answer is: none of us know and it's a country we'd never suspect.

Depends on your definition of "best".

Best by virtue of longevity vs. success: SAS, UK

Best by virtue of being most widely deployed: SFOD-D, USA

Best by virtue of most successful (public) missions record: either Kommando Spezialkrafte or Spetznaz, Germany/Russia

Best by virtue of superior intelligence gathering and overall secrecy: JTF2, Canada

There are a lot of ways to define best when it comes to this sort of thing.

Also please feel free to disagree! I'm not checking sources carefully here.

Oh man I have the perfect icons to play Colonel Counter-Strike, Special Forces Advisor to the Internet and everything.

I'm sure absolutely no one on f!s is qualified to answer that question, and if they do - as another anon has mentioned - it'll be riddled with nationalist pride.

So for the few things we can say with certainty:

In terms of resources it's inarguably the US's JSOC (SFOD-D, Devgru, etc.) Hell, the SAS and JTF-2 have literally had to hitch rides with them to extract from operations on multiple occasions because of technical difficulties with their own air support; their budgets are orders of magnitude higher than the rest and their access to advanced, expensive (particularly aerial) technology is incomparable to any other special forces on the planet.

Of course, like any other group they've had hilarious boondoggles (for the SAS see "Bravo Two-Zero") that were largely due to their own fuckups; humans are human no matter how well-trained they are.

In terms of training? Most of the English-speaking NATO groups train together and run joint operations, so you're probably looking at a comparable level of skill across the board. Certain groups are known for certain things (e.g. the SEALs for aquatic insertions - no shit eh - and JTF-2 for snipers and arctic warfare - again no shit).

The SAS has one of the longest histories of any special forces groups, but whether or not this makes them "better" or "bound to tradition and out of touch" is up for debate. They were still using 80s-style counter terrorist tactics in the early 2000s when SFOD-D had long since moved on. That said they have one of the longest histories of successful operations and are often called upon to train the special forces of other countries.

JTF-2 is one of the few that's still truly secret and doesn't have some retired soldier/sailor with a book deal every other month willing to talk about their operations - to the point where its members can't even be tried in public court because it would require them to be named. It's also one of the few (another is South Korea's "White Tigers") that accepts women, meaning it has access to a much broader pool of talent.

In terms of who beats who in fisticuffs, who really gives a shit. Ultimately these are small enough groups to be affected on a profound level by who happens to be in them/leading them at the time in terms of their effectiveness.

In the end, it's Spetsnaz, because backflipping while throwing axes.

In the UK world the SRR supposedly have taken over a lot of the serious covert work that the SAS were famous for, with tight links to the SIS, Security Services, and Police, and again aren't nearly so high profile (and also accepts women).

Really, whilst women haven't been 'formerly' accepted by a lot of the special forces, they've worked with them in all but name for decades, just because operationally there's so many benefits to it. This was a big thing about ten years back here, when a load of information got released about the poor treatment related to that historically, insofar as women would get used and then pretty much told thanks for your service but we're not going to recognise you or provide any of the benefits now fuck off.

Re: which country has the worlds best special forces

ariakas - 2014-03-03 02:13 (UTC) - Expand

Re: which country has the worlds best special forces

ill_omened - 2014-03-03 02:38 (UTC) - Expand

Look up some episodes of Deadliest Warrior, they might have the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFljrJ7M4A

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