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fandomsecrets2014-03-02 03:43 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2014-03-02 03:43 pm
[ SECRET POST #2616 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2616 ⌋
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Re: which country has the worlds best special forces
I'm sure absolutely no one on f!s is qualified to answer that question, and if they do - as another anon has mentioned - it'll be riddled with nationalist pride.
So for the few things we can say with certainty:
In terms of resources it's inarguably the US's JSOC (SFOD-D, Devgru, etc.) Hell, the SAS and JTF-2 have literally had to hitch rides with them to extract from operations on multiple occasions because of technical difficulties with their own air support; their budgets are orders of magnitude higher than the rest and their access to advanced, expensive (particularly aerial) technology is incomparable to any other special forces on the planet.
Of course, like any other group they've had hilarious boondoggles (for the SAS see "Bravo Two-Zero") that were largely due to their own fuckups; humans are human no matter how well-trained they are.
In terms of training? Most of the English-speaking NATO groups train together and run joint operations, so you're probably looking at a comparable level of skill across the board. Certain groups are known for certain things (e.g. the SEALs for aquatic insertions - no shit eh - and JTF-2 for snipers and arctic warfare - again no shit).
The SAS has one of the longest histories of any special forces groups, but whether or not this makes them "better" or "bound to tradition and out of touch" is up for debate. They were still using 80s-style counter terrorist tactics in the early 2000s when SFOD-D had long since moved on. That said they have one of the longest histories of successful operations and are often called upon to train the special forces of other countries.
JTF-2 is one of the few that's still truly secret and doesn't have some retired soldier/sailor with a book deal every other month willing to talk about their operations - to the point where its members can't even be tried in public court because it would require them to be named. It's also one of the few (another is South Korea's "White Tigers") that accepts women, meaning it has access to a much broader pool of talent.
In terms of who beats who in fisticuffs, who really gives a shit. Ultimately these are small enough groups to be affected on a profound level by who happens to be in them/leading them at the time in terms of their effectiveness.
In the end, it's Spetsnaz, because backflipping while throwing axes.
Re: which country has the worlds best special forces
Really, whilst women haven't been 'formerly' accepted by a lot of the special forces, they've worked with them in all but name for decades, just because operationally there's so many benefits to it. This was a big thing about ten years back here, when a load of information got released about the poor treatment related to that historically, insofar as women would get used and then pretty much told thanks for your service but we're not going to recognise you or provide any of the benefits now fuck off.
Re: which country has the worlds best special forces
Yeah this was a thing that happened in the US in the 90s too. JSOC absolutely was using women, but as "contractors" or "attached" to (but not actually part of) units to skirt the rules limiting their involvement. Hey, go into deadly operations but don't take any of the credit it or even get paid extra for it like the men do, because fuck you! Shouldn't have that vagina.
Though the rationale in the US at least was that letting on that their constituents "daughters" were in "danger" would be political suicide for elected officials, so women could never be "officially" involved in combat. In their defense, the ultraconservative morlocks there really are that bad, and already whinging about the "feminization" of the military, which takes away men's "purpose". (I need to dig up the screed by a former officer coming out against women in combat, not for any practical reason, but because to kill was the "goal" of being a man just as having babies was the goal of being a woman, and if women were allowed in combat it would be like men having babies. He concluded by threatening women with rape - by the "bad guys" of course - if they "disobeyed" men on this.)
For all that the USSR conclusively proved that women absolutely do have a place in combat - even if it's not exactly the same as men - people are still fucking batshit about this.
Re: which country has the worlds best special forces
I guess some men really don't like recognising the fact that they're not eactly immune to it. And depending it can be incredibly common. I mean the statistics from the DRC are shocking(80% of male combatants captured), and it's not like it's a problem exclusive to east africa.